[NCSG-PC] Topics for the Board discussion in Kobe
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca
Tue Feb 26 17:33:43 EET 2019
Thanks for your encouragement Ayden! This is one of those thankless
tasks....
cheers SP
On 2019-02-26 08:22, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Excellent work, Stephanie. Great questions and analysis.
>
> Ayden
>
> P.S. You are hilarious.
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Monday, February 25, 2019 6:03 PM, Stephanie Perrin
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> Trying again
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dJv7dhjbJsnc1Nm4gG7iCGeKXaRdq320bhRDuggc9Ks/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> cheers Steph
>>
>> On 2019-02-25 12:00, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>
>>> The silence is deafening. I have a new version. Getting flippant,
>>> you better read
>>> it....https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dJv7dhjbJsnc1Nm4gG7iCGeKXaRdq320bhRDuggc9Ks/edit#
>>>
>>> cheers Steph
>>>
>>> On 2019-02-24 21:30, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok folks. We have to come up with 3 concrete suggestions about how
>>>> the Board, the Community, and the org can respond to the challenges
>>>> we are facing over the next five years. Then we also need to answer
>>>> the question about how to engage the outside world, and seek
>>>> allies. The other topics at the beginning of the memo, are our
>>>> comments/questions to them. I have annotated the draft attached,
>>>> with what I am hearing. Since a lot of stuff is being yanked, can
>>>> we have a few concrete suggestions as to what to replace them
>>>> with? I have also dropped this draft into a google document, for
>>>> your convenience, here
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dJv7dhjbJsnc1Nm4gG7iCGeKXaRdq320bhRDuggc9Ks/edit#
>>>>
>>>> I have included the new version with the offending material
>>>> dropped. It is frankly pretty thin. Please help with your proposals.
>>>>
>>>> stephanie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-02-24 21:07, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole point in focusing on travel was to do the sauce for the
>>>>> goose, sauce for the gander. The target is staff.... there
>>>>> appears to be no transparency and no accountability
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-02-24 20:56, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>> I'm sorry not to have commented sooner. I know it is not helpful
>>>>>> when people chime in at the last minute. I am not sure about the
>>>>>> comments on travel either. As a percentage of the organization's
>>>>>> overall spend, community travel is about 2% of the budget - it is
>>>>>> not particularly high. I do not know how much is spent on staff
>>>>>> travel because these figures are not published. And while I agree
>>>>>> there is waste in the community travel spend, I happen to think
>>>>>> there is substantially more waste on internal staff travel, and
>>>>>> that is something we have very little insight into. Look at how
>>>>>> often Theresa Swinehart is traveling using public interest money,
>>>>>> often at the last minute, at a minimum in business class, and
>>>>>> staying in hotels that cost more per night than ICANN spends
>>>>>> putting us up for a week, say, in Barcelona. We have already seen
>>>>>> efforts, in Barcelona for instance, to place community members
>>>>>> into subpar hotels in order to save a few dollars. I am concerned
>>>>>> that there are efforts only to cut costs by targeting the
>>>>>> community, and not to cut staff or board expenditure. I
>>>>>> appreciate that your question actually is looking more broadly
>>>>>> than at the community, but I think it is unlikely to be read that
>>>>>> way, and could be used as ammunition by the CEO to further
>>>>>> degrade the community travel experience. What I am curious about,
>>>>>> however, is hearing more about how ICANN intends to achieve
>>>>>> operational efficiencies in order to contribute several million
>>>>>> dollars a year to the Reserve Fund. I haven't seen a plan for
>>>>>> achieving this; has anyone else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for drafting this response,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>> On Monday, February 25, 2019 2:35 AM, Tatiana Tropina
>>>>>> <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> <mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I share Rafik’s comment about travel. I wish there is some
>>>>>>> explanation as to where this is coming from and what’s the
>>>>>>> reason for this question?
>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>> Tanya
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun 24. Feb 2019 at 23:51, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the draft.
>>>>>>> As I read others comments, I don't see so much change in
>>>>>>> EPDP section. I think we need only to ask the board about
>>>>>>> not bypassing the process (agree that their letter was
>>>>>>> ill-thought in bad timing) and to not be influenced by other
>>>>>>> groups who might try to have 2 bites at the apple. I believe
>>>>>>> that would be more useful to ask and discuss than what is
>>>>>>> suggested (I am fine with the question #1 about the
>>>>>>> resourcing and adequate budgeting). EPDP is in a certain way
>>>>>>> a good respond to what board is talking since Barcelona
>>>>>>> about PDP effectiveness. I don't want that we give any hint
>>>>>>> that board should get involved in any kind of facilitation
>>>>>>> that question #2 or #3 might imply.
>>>>>>> I am really puzzled about the question on travel and its
>>>>>>> intent. I don't think people get travel arrangement in last
>>>>>>> minute for fun but for basic reason: ICANN CT only book when
>>>>>>> visa are ready and that process takes time. things might
>>>>>>> change with the new timeline and earlier support from CT. I
>>>>>>> really believe we are sending the wrong message here and I
>>>>>>> would oppose it on its current form. At the end most of work
>>>>>>> is done between meetings and conference calls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would suggest instead that board improves its process in
>>>>>>> term of community consultation and exploring different
>>>>>>> approaches. the 1 hour session at ICANN meeting is too
>>>>>>> little. are the letters the right the medium for any kind of
>>>>>>> interaction? do we really want that board start kick off
>>>>>>> some initiative and so adding more burden on the community?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 02:58, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks to Farzi and Kathy for their comments/edits.
>>>>>>> I have added a few things to Kathy's version, and
>>>>>>> changed the wording slightly on the matter of the Chair
>>>>>>> of the EPDP to acknowledge Farzi's point about GNSO. I
>>>>>>> have not taken the travel thing out...Until somebody
>>>>>>> comes up with a better idea, I think it is still a good
>>>>>>> idea. Travel is a big, discretionary spend. Leadership
>>>>>>> in the community has no control over irresponsible
>>>>>>> members who make last minute travel requests, and we
>>>>>>> don;t really see the controls in the staff budgets.
>>>>>>> Perfectly open to better ideas, but we need an idea for
>>>>>>> the three parts of the comminity....this one hits all three.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers folks and thanks for the interest!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steph
>>>>>>>
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