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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks for your
          encouragement Ayden!   This is one of those thankless
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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers SP</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-26 08:22, Ayden Férdeline
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      <div>Excellent work, Stephanie. Great questions and analysis.<br>
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          <div>Ayden <br>
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          <div>P.S. You are hilarious.<br>
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      <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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      <div> On Monday, February 25, 2019 6:03 PM, Stephanie Perrin
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        <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
              style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Trying again <a
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              style="font-family:Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</span></span><br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-25 12:00, Stephanie
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          <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
                style="font-family:Lucida Grande">The silence is
                deafening.  I have a new version.  Getting flippant, you
                better read
it....https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dJv7dhjbJsnc1Nm4gG7iCGeKXaRdq320bhRDuggc9Ks/edit#</span></span><br>
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                style="font-family:Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</span></span><br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-24 21:30, Stephanie
            Perrin wrote:<br>
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                  style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Ok folks.  We have
                  to come up with 3 concrete suggestions about how the
                  Board, the Community, and the org can respond to the
                  challenges we are facing over the next five years. 
                  Then we also need to answer the question about how to
                  engage the outside world, and seek allies.  The other
                  topics at the beginning of the memo, are our
                  comments/questions to them. I have annotated the draft
                  attached, with what I am hearing.  Since a lot of
                  stuff is being yanked, can we have a few concrete
                  suggestions as to what to replace them with?  I have
                  also dropped this draft into a google document, for
                  your convenience, here <a
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            <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
                  style="font-family:Lucida Grande">I have included the
                  new version with the offending material dropped.  It
                  is frankly pretty thin.  Please help with your
                  proposals.</span></span><br>
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            <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
                  style="font-family:Lucida Grande">stephanie</span></span><br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-24 21:07, Stephanie
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              <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
                    style="font-family:Lucida Grande">The whole point in
                    focusing on travel was to do the sauce for the
                    goose, sauce for the gander.  The target is
                    staff.... there appears to be no transparency and no
                    accountability</span></span><br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-24 20:56, Ayden
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                <div>I'm sorry not to have commented sooner. I know it
                  is not helpful when people chime in at the last
                  minute. I am not sure about the comments on travel
                  either. As a percentage of the organization's overall
                  spend, community travel is about 2% of the budget - it
                  is not particularly high. I do not know how much is
                  spent on staff travel because these figures are not
                  published. And while I agree there is waste in the
                  community travel spend, I happen to think there is
                  substantially more waste on internal staff travel, and
                  that is something we have very little insight into.
                  Look at how often Theresa Swinehart is traveling using
                  public interest money, often at the last minute, at a
                  minimum in business class, and staying in hotels that
                  cost more per night than ICANN spends putting us up
                  for a week, say, in Barcelona. We have already seen
                  efforts, in Barcelona for instance, to place community
                  members into subpar hotels in order to save a few
                  dollars. I am concerned that there are efforts only to
                  cut costs by targeting the community, and not to cut
                  staff or board expenditure. I appreciate that your
                  question actually is looking more broadly than at the
                  community, but I think it is unlikely to be read that
                  way, and could be used as ammunition by the CEO to
                  further degrade the community travel experience. What
                  I am curious about, however, is hearing more about how
                  ICANN intends to achieve operational efficiencies in
                  order to contribute several million dollars a year to
                  the Reserve Fund. I haven't seen a plan for achieving
                  this; has anyone else?<br>
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                <div>Thanks again for drafting this response,<br>
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                <div>Ayden <br>
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                <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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                <div>On Monday, February 25, 2019 2:35 AM, Tatiana
                  Tropina <a href="mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com"
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                    <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">I share Rafik’s comment about
                      travel. I wish there is some explanation as to
                      where this is coming from and what’s the reason
                      for this question? <br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Cheers. <br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Tanya <br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">On Sun 24. Feb 2019 at 23:51, Rafik
                        Dammak <<a
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                          <div dir="ltr">Hi Stephanie,<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the draft.<br>
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                            <div>As I read others comments, I don't see
                              so much change in EPDP section. I think we
                              need only to ask the board about not
                              bypassing the process (agree that their
                              letter was ill-thought in bad timing) and
                              to not be influenced by other groups who
                              might try to have 2 bites at the apple. I
                              believe that would be more useful to ask
                              and discuss than what is suggested (I am
                              fine with the question #1 about the
                              resourcing and adequate budgeting). EPDP
                              is in a certain way a good respond to what
                              board is talking since Barcelona about PDP
                              effectiveness. I don't want that we give
                              any hint that board should get involved in
                              any kind of facilitation that question #2
                              or #3 might imply. <br>
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                          <div>I am really puzzled about the question on
                            travel and its intent. I don't think people
                            get travel arrangement in last minute for
                            fun but for basic reason: ICANN CT only book
                            when visa are ready and that process takes
                            time. things might change with the new
                            timeline and earlier support from CT. I
                            really believe we are sending the wrong
                            message here and I would oppose it on its
                            current form. At the end most of work is
                            done between meetings and conference calls.<br>
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                          <div>I would suggest instead that board
                            improves its process in term of community
                            consultation and exploring different
                            approaches. the 1 hour session at ICANN
                            meeting is too little. are the letters the
                            right the medium for any kind of
                            interaction? do we really want that board
                            start kick off some initiative and so adding
                            more burden on the community?<br>
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                          <div>Best,<br>
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                          <div>Rafik<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">Le lun. 25 févr. 2019
                                à 02:58, Stephanie Perrin <<a
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                                        Grande">Many thanks to Farzi and
                                        Kathy for their comments/edits. 
                                        I have added a few things to
                                        Kathy's version, and changed the
                                        wording slightly on the matter
                                        of the Chair of the EPDP to
                                        acknowledge Farzi's point about
                                        GNSO. I have not taken the
                                        travel thing out...Until
                                        somebody comes up with a better
                                        idea, I think it is still a good
                                        idea.  Travel is a big,
                                        discretionary spend. Leadership
                                        in the community has no control
                                        over irresponsible members who
                                        make last minute travel
                                        requests, and we don;t really
                                        see the controls in the staff
                                        budgets.   Perfectly open to
                                        better ideas, but we need an
                                        idea for the three parts of the
                                        comminity....this one hits all
                                        three.</span></span><br>
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                                  <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
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                                        Grande">cheers folks and thanks
                                        for the interest!</span></span><br>
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