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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks for your
encouragement Ayden! This is one of those thankless
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<div>Excellent work, Stephanie. Great questions and analysis.<br>
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<div>P.S. You are hilarious.<br>
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<div> On Monday, February 25, 2019 6:03 PM, Stephanie Perrin
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style="font-family:Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</span></span><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
style="font-family:Lucida Grande">The silence is
deafening. I have a new version. Getting flippant, you
better read
it....https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dJv7dhjbJsnc1Nm4gG7iCGeKXaRdq320bhRDuggc9Ks/edit#</span></span><br>
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style="font-family:Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</span></span><br>
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style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Ok folks. We have
to come up with 3 concrete suggestions about how the
Board, the Community, and the org can respond to the
challenges we are facing over the next five years.
Then we also need to answer the question about how to
engage the outside world, and seek allies. The other
topics at the beginning of the memo, are our
comments/questions to them. I have annotated the draft
attached, with what I am hearing. Since a lot of
stuff is being yanked, can we have a few concrete
suggestions as to what to replace them with? I have
also dropped this draft into a google document, for
your convenience, here <a
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<p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
style="font-family:Lucida Grande">I have included the
new version with the offending material dropped. It
is frankly pretty thin. Please help with your
proposals.</span></span><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
style="font-family:Lucida Grande">The whole point in
focusing on travel was to do the sauce for the
goose, sauce for the gander. The target is
staff.... there appears to be no transparency and no
accountability</span></span><br>
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<div>I'm sorry not to have commented sooner. I know it
is not helpful when people chime in at the last
minute. I am not sure about the comments on travel
either. As a percentage of the organization's overall
spend, community travel is about 2% of the budget - it
is not particularly high. I do not know how much is
spent on staff travel because these figures are not
published. And while I agree there is waste in the
community travel spend, I happen to think there is
substantially more waste on internal staff travel, and
that is something we have very little insight into.
Look at how often Theresa Swinehart is traveling using
public interest money, often at the last minute, at a
minimum in business class, and staying in hotels that
cost more per night than ICANN spends putting us up
for a week, say, in Barcelona. We have already seen
efforts, in Barcelona for instance, to place community
members into subpar hotels in order to save a few
dollars. I am concerned that there are efforts only to
cut costs by targeting the community, and not to cut
staff or board expenditure. I appreciate that your
question actually is looking more broadly than at the
community, but I think it is unlikely to be read that
way, and could be used as ammunition by the CEO to
further degrade the community travel experience. What
I am curious about, however, is hearing more about how
ICANN intends to achieve operational efficiencies in
order to contribute several million dollars a year to
the Reserve Fund. I haven't seen a plan for achieving
this; has anyone else?<br>
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<div>Thanks again for drafting this response,<br>
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<div dir="auto">I share Rafik’s comment about
travel. I wish there is some explanation as to
where this is coming from and what’s the reason
for this question? <br>
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<div dir="auto">Tanya <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the draft.<br>
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<div>As I read others comments, I don't see
so much change in EPDP section. I think we
need only to ask the board about not
bypassing the process (agree that their
letter was ill-thought in bad timing) and
to not be influenced by other groups who
might try to have 2 bites at the apple. I
believe that would be more useful to ask
and discuss than what is suggested (I am
fine with the question #1 about the
resourcing and adequate budgeting). EPDP
is in a certain way a good respond to what
board is talking since Barcelona about PDP
effectiveness. I don't want that we give
any hint that board should get involved in
any kind of facilitation that question #2
or #3 might imply. <br>
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<div>I am really puzzled about the question on
travel and its intent. I don't think people
get travel arrangement in last minute for
fun but for basic reason: ICANN CT only book
when visa are ready and that process takes
time. things might change with the new
timeline and earlier support from CT. I
really believe we are sending the wrong
message here and I would oppose it on its
current form. At the end most of work is
done between meetings and conference calls.<br>
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<div>I would suggest instead that board
improves its process in term of community
consultation and exploring different
approaches. the 1 hour session at ICANN
meeting is too little. are the letters the
right the medium for any kind of
interaction? do we really want that board
start kick off some initiative and so adding
more burden on the community?<br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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Grande">Many thanks to Farzi and
Kathy for their comments/edits.
I have added a few things to
Kathy's version, and changed the
wording slightly on the matter
of the Chair of the EPDP to
acknowledge Farzi's point about
GNSO. I have not taken the
travel thing out...Until
somebody comes up with a better
idea, I think it is still a good
idea. Travel is a big,
discretionary spend. Leadership
in the community has no control
over irresponsible members who
make last minute travel
requests, and we don;t really
see the controls in the staff
budgets. Perfectly open to
better ideas, but we need an
idea for the three parts of the
comminity....this one hits all
three.</span></span><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
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Grande">cheers folks and thanks
for the interest!</span></span><br>
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