[NCSG-PC] draft slides for tomorrow's webinar

[Stephanie Perrin]

Thanks Farell, I think there was a recording if you are interested.  We 
had a good crowd, thank goodness, as news of the senior ICANN team 
attendance was even later than the announcement of the webinar.

Kind regards,

Stephanie

On 2018-03-02 12:48, Farell FOLLY wrote:
> Good job Stephanie and all,
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> I was finally not able to join today. I went through the materials and 
> read the comments, great. I am sure the meeting was also super.
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>> On 2 Mar 2018, at 14:21, Stephanie Perrin 
>> <stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA 
>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA>> wrote:
>>
>> I did not comment on all the below, see inline
>>
>> On 2018-03-02 08:09, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>> ok let me know we need to send it to ICANN staff before the meeting.
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Stephanie Perrin 
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Looks fine.  Sponsors are the accredited registrars, so will
>>>     make "or" an "and" on that slide
>>>
>>>     SP
>>>
>>>     On 2018-03-01 22:45, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>     I have made it a bit brief. here are the changes I made:
>>>>
>>>>     I removed page 3 (relevant privacy laws). *(I think people need
>>>>     to understand the landscape is bigger than GDPR) *
>>>
>>>>     Page five, I just added a brief definition of WHOIS and deleted
>>>>     the rest of what you had.
>>>
>>>>     I am not sure about keeping slide 7. It is long and very
>>>>     complicated.
>>>
>> I will not go through it, just want them to realize this is not new 
>> and we have been fighting this fight a very long time.  SOme need to 
>> know history so as not to reinvent our position on this.....
>>>
>>>>     If you think you can make a brief remark about the long
>>>>     struggle then good idea. But going to thick whois and thin
>>>>     whois too much will be confusing.  I removed some of the
>>>>     principles or made them shorter. Removed :
>>>>     •Notice of data breach within 72 hours
>>>>     •Right to be forgotten
>>>
>> These are important.  I will mention but no time to put everything 
>> back in.
>>
>>>>     But you are the expert so correct me if I am wrong.
>>>>
>>>>     Here:
>>>>     •Tiered access means accreditation and authorization …no
>>>>     self-certification, we need standards and independent audit
>>>>     In the newest ICANN  model there is no self certification but
>>>>     reliance on GAC! We need to mention this.
>>>
>> Actually the GAC model will turn out to be self certification.  
>> Lawyers check, cybercrime orgs check. LEAs Check of course...and this 
>> is the only group they ought to be certifying, and that will turn out 
>> to be self cert as well.  There is no independent process, that is 
>> why the Canadian govt (and even APWG) are starting to get interested 
>> in the standards proposal
>>>
>>>>
>>>>     In the following, Why are we jumping the queue about legitimate
>>>>     purpose? "Cybercrime fighting is a legitimate reason to
>>>>     disclose but it needs to be on an accredited basis, anonymized
>>>>     data analytics, etc." Lets emphasize we have to first agree on
>>>>     the purpose of WHOIS then we can get into legitimate interest etc.
>>>
>> I want to explain the battle that has been going on about legit 
>> purpose for access vs for overall processing.  Long hard battle in 
>> RDS group and they still dont get it.....
>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Also we should mention that we want data minimization (get rid
>>>>     of Thick WHOIS as much as possible)
>>>
>> then leave thick WHOIS in the other slide, that is why it is in 
>> there....but dont worry I will deal with it in a minute or two.  We 
>> need to question what is behind current endorsement of thick whois 
>> model  (transfer of all data to Verisign e.g.??)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks for doing this. we will have 45 minutes to go through
>>>>     your slides and ask questions and then ICANN staff (Theresa and
>>>>     Akram) will be with us and we can discuss the new ICANN model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I also made your background less interesting. Sorry :)
>>>
>> I love that background but I guess yours is ok.  I like the ink blots 
>> to symbolize all the screwups....
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Best
>>>>
>>>>     Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>     On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 7:38 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         first draft, tell me what you want....
>>>>
>>>>         cheers Steph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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