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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks Farell, I think
there was a recording if you are interested. We had a good
crowd, thank goodness, as news of the senior ICANN team
attendance was even later than the announcement of the
webinar.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Kind regards, <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-03-02 12:48, Farell FOLLY
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-03-02 08:09,
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">ok let me
know we need to send it to ICANN staff before the
meeting.</div>
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AM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
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class="" face="Lucida Grande">Looks
fine. Sponsors are the accredited
registrars, so will make "or" an "and"
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brief. here are the changes I
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(relevant privacy laws). <b
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to understand the landscape is
bigger than GDPR) </b></font></div>
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added a brief definition of
WHOIS and deleted the rest of
what you had.</font></div>
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keeping slide 7. It is long and
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<font class="" face="verdana, sans-serif">I will not go
through it, just want them to realize this is not new
and we have been fighting this fight a very long
time. SOme need to know history so as not to reinvent
our position on this.....</font><br class="">
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make a brief remark about the
long struggle then good idea.
But going to thick whois and
thin whois too much will be
confusing. I removed some of
the principles or made them
shorter. Removed : </font></div>
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breach within 72 hours</font></div>
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<p class=""><font class="" face="verdana, sans-serif">These
are important. I will mention but no time to put
everything back in.</font></p>
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expert so correct me if I am
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accreditation and
authorization </span><span
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self-certification, we need
standards and independent
audit</span></font></div>
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the newest ICANN model there is no
self certification but reliance on
GAC! We need to mention this.</div>
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Actually the GAC model will turn out to be self
certification. Lawyers check, cybercrime orgs check.
LEAs Check of course...and this is the only group they
ought to be certifying, and that will turn out to be
self cert as well. There is no independent process,
that is why the Canadian govt (and even APWG) are
starting to get interested in the standards proposal<br
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the following, Why are we jumping
the queue about legitimate purpose?
"Cybercrime fighting is a legitimate
reason to disclose but it needs to
be on an accredited basis,
anonymized data analytics, etc."
Lets emphasize we have to first
agree on the purpose of WHOIS then
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I want to explain the battle that has been going on
about legit purpose for access vs for overall
processing. Long hard battle in RDS group and they
still dont get it.....<br class="">
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we should mention that we want data
minimization (get rid of Thick WHOIS
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then leave thick WHOIS in the other slide, that is why
it is in there....but dont worry I will deal with it in
a minute or two. We need to question what is behind
current endorsement of thick whois model (transfer of
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for doing this. we will have 45
minutes to go through your slides
and ask questions and then ICANN
staff (Theresa and Akram) will be
with us and we can discuss the new
ICANN model. </div>
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1, 2018 at 7:38 PM, Stephanie Perrin
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draft, tell me what you
want....</font></font></p>
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Steph</font></font><br
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