[NCSG-PC] O.com comment

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed Jun 20 15:28:35 EEST 2018


I have to say, digging up Auerbach gems was one of the pleasures of my 
diss research.  He is great!  Lets just quote it!

STephanie

On 2018-06-19 23:58, farzaneh badii wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I did some research about the history of allocation of such domains. 
> And came across really interesting comments. One worth referencing 
> which I copy paste below.
>
> I am surprised that people are commenting on how the funds should be 
> used! This is really not what ICANN asked to comment on. Am I missing 
> something? It is pretty clear from page 6 that funds will go to 
> nonprofit (s) and that it will remain confidential and will be used 
> for public good. which is a terrible idea but it's not what we are 
> asked to comment on. I might be wrong. I looked at the list of those 
> who submitted comments and many of them had written a paragraph on how 
> funds should be allocated! So I might be wrong.
>
>
> I also don't understand what the fuss is about these single letter 
> domains being reserved! It is clear that they do not threaten 
> security/stability of the Internet, they have not led to terrible 
> trademark infringement ... why reserve it? And why regulate their 
> allocation? They are scarce resource? Then auction is a good idea, 
> which was decided a decade ago. The registries should be incentivized 
> to keep auctioning these single domain names so I think they should 
> decide what to do with the money. Give it to the charity or spend it 
> on fancy cars or Internet stability or like Auerbach says just sell it 
> to someone for some dollars . A rich ICANN has always led to bad 
> decisions and ballooned number of staff and bad ideas.
>
> I am now feeling less guilty - it was not an important public comment 
> only ALAC  had submitted a comment up until I checked from the ICANN 
> SO/ACs others were individuals . But I got to read some interesting 
> stuff. First of all, Auerbach totally captured what I was thinking. we 
> can just submit Auerbach comment:) **joke***
>
> This issue is purely one of economic and business regulation.
>
> There is no issue here that relates to the technical stability of 
> theinternet as measured in terms of the ability of the upper layers of 
> DNSto quickly, efficiently, and accurately transform DNS query packets 
> intoDNS reply packets without prejudice against any query source or 
> query name.In other words, what is being discussed here is an 
> imposition on themarketplace of domain names for no purpose other than 
> manipulation ofthat marketplace.There is no technical reason why ICANN 
> should have any policy on thismatter.For ICANN to impose regulation in 
> this area would be for ICANN, onceagin, to engage in social and 
> economic regulation that is not warrantedby any risk to the technical 
> infrastructure of the net and DNS.We all know that Overstock will turn 
> heaven and earth to buy "o.com <http://o.com>" forwhatever price is 
> asked.The only question is what should Verisign, the .com registry, do 
> withthe proceeds?Should the registry be allowed to retain those 
> proceeds as a windfallprofit?Or should the registry be required to use 
> those proceeds to buy down theoutrageous, fiat $7+ registry fee (using 
> .com as an example of registryfees) and thus spreading the benefit to 
> all registrants?The latter approach is more in keeping with the 
> original idea thatregistries were to be largely nothing more than a 
> cost+ service provider.
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> *John Berryhill one of my fav domain lawyers:*
>
> Why only kill the Golden Goose once?
>
> Consider a combination of an initial auction coupled with an annual
> registration fee that is some fraction of the auction price.
>
> For example, "Auction + 10% Annual Fee" - If the auction is won at $1M, then
> the annual registration fee is $100K.  Kurt can play with the proportion to
> whatever degree required.
>
> Alternatively, it would be great to take all of the domain applicants,
> provide them with suitable medieval weaponry, and turn them loose in an
> arena.  The sole survivor wins the domain name.  This would be a great ICANN
> meeting host event.
>
> I've been petitioning the ABA to advocate the renewal of "trial by combat"
> for years now, and the success of this method could be helpful.
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> Farzaneh
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> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:55 PM farzaneh badii 
> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I volunteered for this but lost track of time, so am guilty! I
>     also thought we had until Friday. I will look at it if I get the
>     time tonight and see if I can submit something personally.
>
>
>
>     Farzaneh
>
>
>     On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:40 PM Rafik Dammak
>     <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi ,
>
>         I think that is "solved" now as the extension was not granted.
>         we can discuss how we can improve things later. I am not
>         blaming anyone here.
>
>         Best,
>
>         Rafik
>
>
>         Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 19:34, farzaneh badii
>         <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> a
>         écrit :
>
>             I'd like to contribute to writing the comment and I need
>             an extension because i don't have the time to focus on it
>             now. I do not agree with asking for extension is
>             unprofessional.
>
>             On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:13 AM Rafik Dammak
>             <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 Hi,
>
>                 Thanks
>                 Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 17:04, Ayden Férdeline
>                 <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> a
>                 écrit :
>
>                     I believe there are 11 comments open at present.
>                     Plus this new accreditation model (though it does
>                     not seem to be a formal public comment).
>
>
>                 I refer to this
>                 https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public , we
>                 can add the new consultation.
>
>
>                     And yes I do think it is unprofessional to miss
>                     deadlines and to require extensions. If other
>                     constituencies or stakeholder groups request them
>                     that is their prerogative.
>
>
>                 we are disagreeing here regarding the conlcusion and
>                 characterization and that is fine. happy for other to
>                 jump in and share their thoughts.
>
>                 Best,
>
>                 Rafik
>
>
>
>                     On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 09:56, Rafik Dammak
>                     <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>                     <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>                     Hi,
>>
>>                     comments are considered if the extension is
>>                     requested beforehand and before staff starts
>>                     working on the report. they can reject the
>>                     request of course, or accept the extension and
>>                     follow-up about its submission.
>>                     I don't concur with you about the
>>                     characterization as "unprofessional" since
>>                     several groups like BC and others ask regularly
>>                     for an extension, or with your conclusion
>>                     regarding our comment inclusion. last budget
>>                     comment was submitted before the deadline, we
>>                     have to review staff report to ensure inclusion.
>>                     there are only 6 open public comments now.
>>                     we got a draft, people can add what they think
>>                     missing and try o edit. we are asking for few
>>                     days and it is likely to get granted. I am for
>>                     trying till the end. but I don't see how we can
>>                     finalize one in 24 hours without some discussion.
>>
>>                     Best,
>>
>>                     Rafik
>
>>                     Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 16:48, Ayden Férdeline
>>                     <icann at ferdeline.com
>>                     <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> a écrit :
>
>>                         Hi,
>>
>>                         I have thought about this further and think
>>                         we should just meet the deadline. It is
>>                         unprofessional to request an extension, and I
>>                         think this is a large reason why many of our
>>                         comments do not make the staff report for a
>>                         particular public comment (along with bias).
>>                         I’m not sure there is any obligation to
>>                         consider our comments when they are submitted
>>                         after the deadline, nor should there be, and
>>                         given there are another 10 comments closing
>>                         over the next month, we should just get this
>>                         one out of the way.
>>
>>                         Best,
>>
>>                         Ayden
>>
>>                         Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>>
>>                         On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 05:24, Rafik Dammak
>>                         <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>                         <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>                         Hi.
>>>
>>>                         while I know that several people will be
>>>                         flying to Panama, I don't think they will be
>>>                         offline :) I will ask for an extension and
>>>                         see staff reaction first as they factor in
>>>                         their response when they have to start
>>>                         working on the report. so we can get an
>>>                         extension to Friday or later on. the
>>>                         extension at least gives time to inform the
>>>                         membership about the draft if not possible
>>>                         to get input.
>>>
>>>                         as I shared, we got some draft that we can
>>>                         work on and add elements
>>>                         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l9YFvDr_RGV0poMcqzdWFB2szGznV0orpIWyPuNVn-o/edit.
>>>
>>>                         best,
>>>
>>>                         Rafik
>>
>>>                         Le lun. 18 juin 2018 à 23:47, Ayden
>>>                         Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>                         <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> a écrit :
>>
>>>                             I suggest that our comment on this issue
>>>                             includes the following points:
>>>
>>>                             - we support to move forward with the
>>>                             auction of o.com <http://o.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>                             - we support having the funds support
>>>                             the public good of the Internet
>>>                             community, with capacity building having
>>>                             a broad and inclusive definition
>>>
>>>                             I would like to see these auction funds
>>>                             going to support the kind of activities
>>>                             that benefit all of the ICANN community,
>>>                             particularly capacity building
>>>                             initiatives *that work* and allow our
>>>                             members to engage more at the national
>>>                             and regional level in broader Internet
>>>                             governance activities that directly and
>>>                             indirectly benefit ICANN (i.e. make this
>>>                             a trust fund to support CROP).
>>>
>>>                             I don't know how feasible an extension
>>>                             is. The deadline is Wednesday, and given
>>>                             many NCSG members will be offline for at
>>>                             least the next week (and we know
>>>                             sometimes, a week after a meeting),
>>>                             we're going to need an extension of a
>>>                             minimum of two weeks, maybe three.
>>>                             Perhaps we should just try to meet this
>>>                             deadline?
>>>
>>>                             Best wishes, Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>>                             ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>                             On 18 June 2018 4:38 PM, farzaneh badii
>>>                             <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>>                             <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>                             I will go through it. I think we need
>>>>                             an extension.
>>>
>>>>                             On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:34 AM Ayden
>>>>                             Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>                             <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>                                 Hi,
>>>>
>>>>                                 Is this comment coming together, or
>>>>                                 should I draft one? I note the
>>>>                                 deadline is in two days time...
>>>>
>>>>                                 Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>                                 Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>                                 On 10 June 2018 2:31 AM, Rafik
>>>>                                 Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>                                 <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>                                 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>                                 Hi Ayden,
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 thanks for raising this. it is
>>>>>                                 quite an old issue and need to ask
>>>>>                                 those who were involved before
>>>>>                                 2007. On another hand, I think
>>>>>                                 the similar issue is the 2-letters
>>>>>                                 characters and it is something
>>>>>                                 that Farzaneh worked on and
>>>>>                                 followed closely. she may give us
>>>>>                                 some guidance here.
>>>>>                                 for auctions, I don't think they
>>>>>                                 are not intended to be for ICANN
>>>>>                                 but for non-profit organisations
>>>>>                                 serving internet community (likely
>>>>>                                 separate from ICANN). the idea is
>>>>>                                 worthy to be explored but my
>>>>>                                 concern is that will encourage
>>>>>                                 ICANN to leave more of its
>>>>>                                 responsibility and count on these
>>>>>                                 uncertain auctions to fund
>>>>>                                 community activities.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 I think 0.com <http://0.com>is
>>>>>                                 still reserved as in the same
>>>>>                                 process that reserved other 1
>>>>>                                 character like o.com
>>>>>                                 <http://o.com>, so the security
>>>>>                                 risk may raise later if 0.com
>>>>>                                 <http://0.com>is requested to be
>>>>>                                 removed from the reserved list.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 for NCSG draft comment, I think
>>>>>                                 Bruna will submit one by this Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 Rafik
>>>>
>>>>>                                 Le dim. 10 juin 2018 à 06:10,
>>>>>                                 Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>                                 <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>                                 <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> a
>>>>>                                 écrit :
>>>>
>>>>>                                     Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>                                     So I have been reading up on
>>>>>                                     the allocation of single
>>>>>                                     character gTLDs vis-a-vis this
>>>>>                                     comment
>>>>>                                     <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/o-com-single-char-2018-05-10-en>on
>>>>>                                     the potential release of
>>>>>                                     O.com. This issue has been
>>>>>                                     brewing for some time, however
>>>>>                                     I was wondering if the
>>>>>                                     NCSG/NCUC/predecessor had
>>>>>                                     released a comment on this
>>>>>                                     issue. I could find a personal
>>>>>                                     comment from Avri
>>>>>                                     <https://forum.icann.org/lists/allocationmethods/msg00007.html>back
>>>>>                                     in 2007 but not quite anything
>>>>>                                     from us. Did we ever comment
>>>>>                                     on this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                                     Also, I was wondering our
>>>>>                                     thoughts on where the money
>>>>>                                     from the sale of O.com (and
>>>>>                                     potentially other single
>>>>>                                     character .coms) should go. I
>>>>>                                     am opposed to this money going
>>>>>                                     into the new gTLD Auction
>>>>>                                     Proceeds fund, an idea I have
>>>>>                                     seen floated around. I don't
>>>>>                                     want to create a big
>>>>>                                     burdensome programme here but
>>>>>                                     I do think we should spend the
>>>>>                                     funds on the ICANN community.
>>>>>                                     CROP and ABRs are being cut,
>>>>>                                     so perhaps these funds could
>>>>>                                     be put aside to advance and
>>>>>                                     sustain these community
>>>>>                                     programmes in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                     Finally, could someone
>>>>>                                     reasonably confuse O.com
>>>>>                                     (letter 'o') with 0.com
>>>>>                                     <http://0.com>(number zero)? I
>>>>>                                     think they could...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                                     Ayden
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>>>>                             -- 
>>>>                             Farzaneh
>>>
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