[NCSG-PC] Fwd: EDPD Leadership Comments Table

Rafik Dammak rafik.dammak at gmail.com
Fri Jul 6 15:22:42 EEST 2018 

hi Ayden,

I think it is possible to amend based on this note:
"*{Note: The following material was extracted from the Working Group
Guidelines, Section 3.6. If a Chartering Organization wishes to deviate
from the standard methodology for making decisions or empower the Team to
decide its own decision-making methodology, this section should be amended
as appropriate}. *"

that is why I suggested to add separately and keep the standard language
instead of amending directly. just a suggestion, I guess that may work both
ways. I was thinking if the concern is about polling, we can add elaborate
more about conditions and restrictions as you did but as a separate
paragraph. just suggestion from me and I can live with the current edits
(just I don't want other groups to start tinkering with things like level
of consensus and so on).

Best,

Rafik

Le ven. 6 juil. 2018 à 21:16, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a
écrit :

> Ah, thanks Rafik. Can I please clarify - if language is extracted directly
> from the GNSO's WG Guidelines, can we change that text in our Charter for
> the limited purpose of this EPDP?
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 6 July 2018 2:11 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ayden,
> with regard to the polling, I think the language comes from the WG
> Guidelines under section 3.6
> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-30jan18-en.pdf
> same for the rest of that part of the charter as indicated there.
> I understand that concerns from the experience of regular polling in RDS
> which is unusual. no idea why the leadership there decided to go in that
> path. anyway, the poll as described is not encouraged as a way to define
> consensus as it may be perceived as voting.
> I guess one way than trying to amend directly would be defining "rare
> cases" separately from the standard language in WG guidelines to list the
> strict conditions to trigger such a mechanism. just rewording what was
> suggested there.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le ven. 6 juil. 2018 à 19:58, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> I'm going through the document now and painfully re-inserting them, this
>> time how they want - as individual comments rather than as 'suggestion'
>> mode edits. How this makes things easier for anyone I do not know. I'll be
>> inserting around 500 comment boxes, for every comma I want inserted, every
>> typo corrected, every word I'd like changed... but I think this is
>> important, there's language in here around polls and when polls can be used
>> that we need changed.
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On 6 July 2018 7:58 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ayden,
>>
>> I don't know which edits not reinstated but when checking the google doc
>> (EDPD Leadership Comments Table based on what you forwared) right now I can
>> see edits you made. unless you mean another document?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le ven. 6 juil. 2018 à 14:41, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> No, I think they were not reinstated.
>>>
>>> It really defeats the point of using Google Doc if we cannot change the
>>> text ourselves and need to instead discuss changes in the "comments /
>>> suggestions section."
>>>
>>> Even typos were rejected; ie "fact" could not be replaced with "face." I
>>> guess I will first have to justify correcting this obvious typo.
>>>
>>> I don’t see how this is easier for anyone. I haven’t reviewed all of the
>>> documents to see if others edits were rejected, too — but I do think we
>>> should be marking up the text instead, as it is this easier for everyone to
>>> know what proposal is on the table.
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 03:54, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think the edits were reinstated. Marika sent communication a few hours
>>> ago:
>>>
>>> "As a reminder, please do not redline the current text in the charter
>>> which appears in the first section of the document, but instead, please
>>> provide your comments / proposed edits as part of the comments /
>>> suggestions section."
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> Le ven. 6 juil. 2018 à 09:19, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> All of my edits were rejected. Good luck to everyone else who spends
>>>> their afternoon reviewing the 8 different Google Docs. I hope some of you
>>>> edits are accepted...
>>>>
>>>> Ayden
>>>>
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
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>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Marika Konings (Google Docs) <
>>>> d+MTEwMTI0MDYyNTI4MDYxMzUzOTA3-MTEyMDY2MDg3OTg4NTE1NjM0MDc2 at docs.google.com>
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>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 00:02
>>>> Subject: EDPD Leadership Comments Table
>>>> To: <hostime at gmail.com>
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>>>> Marika Konings resolved suggestions in EDPD Leadership Comments Table
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkM&ts=5b3e955f&usp=comment_email_document>
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>>>> *Resolved*
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>>>> 24 rejected suggestions
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>>>> Resolved
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>>>> Suggestions
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>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Add:* *"as and"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRdXYXig_LvoskS-eBAVneoHTeLxPvHJPSP55DaxF37Na774RnMwVSeXxoKr_LRYzOthC-cphLDgiyPpwKbsMg0DcFykP62JGgTt5OIuuumY3uveUu4 at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkM&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Replace:* *"versus. participating as an EPDP Team member"* with *",
>>>> and not to make personal interventions"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpReN0nGb6rPmqGoJmhr6A019xuRbQsZP5tmJVHqGSg-A4HoCnipfPwwxbB6dTadkPzCT5fpEkRXNkqROvLV34906wyM0Yz9GCVECpn8myqTS3suoeqg at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkI&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Replace:* *"her"* with *"the EPDP in their official"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRcocxvV6fJMlU34sYNiXR3tjhbkV547x6mgPvUQxBFhV8gwOQJFMlMTgpR0mz2CmPvvc064Yo6GsIrjrQN1BRimwbS64VGe-Z4Ao_jO-QSQ3Wv88VM at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkE&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Replace:* *"Will make clear when he/she is acting"* with *"Only
>>>> participate"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRcz8Ho21DqHezbWyCk22b7jPW_xdmcw3oXWUrttIIV_supO65J3lmc8qCGsdIhOBbrTosqpTaAATPciNG_qeLdQFw45pOqDduslo9UW0qMkLQ7jgPQ at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkA&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Replace:* *"in"* with *"on calls in their official"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRdDiYY7WbBShhMG6P6-xMh8dbtEpOnaja2fW94P2po3XzWFwy3cuBoGRLGmjC70CxTVwD8FPRmz7ztXijhc1gJftgMpFvflLUotugR9HBLjvfnnfsY at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sj4&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Delete:* *"ing"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRfTznDurVJ-EdwUPgYXbhKOTfRMwc3xWh-RxfjbNCl8xkdgW92dgO_WKPrFRS_dmAD8tKP_hPiv2OIsMRniQOiuQ5raWHZwz-jQ3AwWE1mvwUF2BVw at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sj0&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Replace:* *"make it explicitly clear when he/she is"* with *"channel
>>>> such comments through the representatives of his or her Stakeholder Group,
>>>> and to only"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRd219ABodPg_BH4cT5ZM2sny8sshk3d4KPI8np1ZjTeLhXLrz5quwjVscl7tQsnS1KcWHUGPY1_eCR1fsNTg_oNxYJ58bcNYhsY1JJZnkeRzAbfu78 at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sjw&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Replace:* *","* with *";"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRcFN2ClhUO6T4rIqp8NORym59WLlF6OLCrcDDC4scoykyFK9c1lhuU6begRodUzBU_k-T7zuA76E9f_yuJcMbIUf4YBHOsC7bJWl8EYTEcigpzuvGA at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sjs&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Replace:* *"/"* with *"or"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRd2opzZZhJbu-Vmq58AFc5kSzZglNGMdlpd-EfUNYnTGJG1tCBLgngQ4ig43ifIQEqvy13olOc7vHAlVCzEAKpxus7VMi9SF61V17LQOnDMX4YJ5Z8 at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sjo&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Replace:* *"/"* with *"or"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>> *Marika Konings*
>>>>
>>>> *Rejected suggestion*
>>>> Reply
>>>> <Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRdbfZv_oRb_o0GRnR2pdKREeAgGA_RueKlBjx9GlaSIuZ8fumyGRpsUam42uyrzDNWkvwF7VwcqJt1ve7ScFca_9JdGFYI6Dus80AkjP_2yD14OfUA at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table>
>>>> Open
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sjk&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Ayden Férdeline]
>>>> *Ayden Férdeline*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Delete:* *"wish"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Marika Konings]
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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