[NCSG-PC] Fwd: EDPD Leadership Comments Table

Ayden Férdeline icann at ferdeline.com
Fri Jul 6 15:16:31 EEST 2018 

Ah, thanks Rafik. Can I please clarify - if language is extracted directly from the GNSO's WG Guidelines, can we change that text in our Charter for the limited purpose of this EPDP?

Best wishes, Ayden

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On 6 July 2018 2:11 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Ayden,
> with regard to the polling, I think the language comes from the WG Guidelines under section 3.6 https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-30jan18-en.pdf same for the rest of that part of the charter as indicated there.
> I understand that concerns from the experience of regular polling in RDS which is unusual. no idea why the leadership there decided to go in that path. anyway, the poll as described is not encouraged as a way to define consensus as it may be perceived as voting.
> I guess one way than trying to amend directly would be defining "rare cases" separately from the standard language in WG guidelines to list the strict conditions to trigger such a mechanism. just rewording what was suggested there.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le ven. 6 juil. 2018 à 19:58, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a écrit :
>
>> I'm going through the document now and painfully re-inserting them, this time how they want - as individual comments rather than as 'suggestion' mode edits. How this makes things easier for anyone I do not know. I'll be inserting around 500 comment boxes, for every comma I want inserted, every typo corrected, every word I'd like changed... but I think this is important, there's language in here around polls and when polls can be used that we need changed.
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On 6 July 2018 7:58 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>
>>> I don't know which edits not reinstated but when checking the google doc (EDPD Leadership Comments Table based on what you forwared) right now I can see edits you made. unless you mean another document?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> Le ven. 6 juil. 2018 à 14:41, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> No, I think they were not reinstated.
>>>>
>>>> It really defeats the point of using Google Doc if we cannot change the text ourselves and need to instead discuss changes in the "comments / suggestions section."
>>>>
>>>> Even typos were rejected; ie "fact" could not be replaced with "face." I guess I will first have to justify correcting this obvious typo.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t see how this is easier for anyone. I haven’t reviewed all of the documents to see if others edits were rejected, too — but I do think we should be marking up the text instead, as it is this easier for everyone to know what proposal is on the table.
>>>>
>>>> Ayden
>>>>
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 03:54, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the edits were reinstated. Marika sent communication a few hours ago:
>>>>>
>>>>> "As a reminder, please do not redline the current text in the charter which appears in the first section of the document, but instead, please provide your comments / proposed edits as part of the comments / suggestions section."
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> Le ven. 6 juil. 2018 à 09:19, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> All of my edits were rejected. Good luck to everyone else who spends their afternoon reviewing the 8 different Google Docs. I hope some of you edits are accepted...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> From: Marika Konings (Google Docs) <[d+MTEwMTI0MDYyNTI4MDYxMzUzOTA3-MTEyMDY2MDg3OTg4NTE1NjM0MDc2 at docs.google.com](mailto:d%2BMTEwMTI0MDYyNTI4MDYxMzUzOTA3-MTEyMDY2MDg3OTg4NTE1NjM0MDc2 at docs.google.com)>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 00:02
>>>>>>> Subject: EDPD Leadership Comments Table
>>>>>>> To: <hostime at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marika Konings resolved suggestions in [EDPD Leadership Comments Table](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkM&ts=5b3e955f&usp=comment_email_document)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Resolved
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 24 rejected suggestions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Resolved
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suggestions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Add: "as and"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRdXYXig_LvoskS-eBAVneoHTeLxPvHJPSP55DaxF37Na774RnMwVSeXxoKr_LRYzOthC-cphLDgiyPpwKbsMg0DcFykP62JGgTt5OIuuumY3uveUu4 at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkM&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace: "versus. participating as an EPDP Team member" with ", and not to make personal interventions"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpReN0nGb6rPmqGoJmhr6A019xuRbQsZP5tmJVHqGSg-A4HoCnipfPwwxbB6dTadkPzCT5fpEkRXNkqROvLV34906wyM0Yz9GCVECpn8myqTS3suoeqg at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkI&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace: "her" with "the EPDP in their official"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRcocxvV6fJMlU34sYNiXR3tjhbkV547x6mgPvUQxBFhV8gwOQJFMlMTgpR0mz2CmPvvc064Yo6GsIrjrQN1BRimwbS64VGe-Z4Ao_jO-QSQ3Wv88VM at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkE&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace: "Will make clear when he/she is acting" with "Only participate"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRcz8Ho21DqHezbWyCk22b7jPW_xdmcw3oXWUrttIIV_supO65J3lmc8qCGsdIhOBbrTosqpTaAATPciNG_qeLdQFw45pOqDduslo9UW0qMkLQ7jgPQ at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0SkA&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace: "in" with "on calls in their official"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRdDiYY7WbBShhMG6P6-xMh8dbtEpOnaja2fW94P2po3XzWFwy3cuBoGRLGmjC70CxTVwD8FPRmz7ztXijhc1gJftgMpFvflLUotugR9HBLjvfnnfsY at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sj4&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Delete: "ing"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRfTznDurVJ-EdwUPgYXbhKOTfRMwc3xWh-RxfjbNCl8xkdgW92dgO_WKPrFRS_dmAD8tKP_hPiv2OIsMRniQOiuQ5raWHZwz-jQ3AwWE1mvwUF2BVw at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sj0&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace: "make it explicitly clear when he/she is" with "channel such comments through the representatives of his or her Stakeholder Group, and to only"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRd219ABodPg_BH4cT5ZM2sny8sshk3d4KPI8np1ZjTeLhXLrz5quwjVscl7tQsnS1KcWHUGPY1_eCR1fsNTg_oNxYJ58bcNYhsY1JJZnkeRzAbfu78 at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sjw&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace: "," with ";"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRcFN2ClhUO6T4rIqp8NORym59WLlF6OLCrcDDC4scoykyFK9c1lhuU6begRodUzBU_k-T7zuA76E9f_yuJcMbIUf4YBHOsC7bJWl8EYTEcigpzuvGA at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sjs&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace: "/" with "or"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRd2opzZZhJbu-Vmq58AFc5kSzZglNGMdlpd-EfUNYnTGJG1tCBLgngQ4ig43ifIQEqvy13olOc7vHAlVCzEAKpxus7VMi9SF61V17LQOnDMX4YJ5Z8 at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sjo&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace: "/" with "or"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]	Marika Konings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rejected suggestion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Reply](mailTo:Reply%20%3Cd+AORGpRdbfZv_oRb_o0GRnR2pdKREeAgGA_RueKlBjx9GlaSIuZ8fumyGRpsUam42uyrzDNWkvwF7VwcqJt1ve7ScFca_9JdGFYI6Dus80AkjP_2yD14OfUA at docs.google.com%3E?subject=EDPD%20Leadership%20Comments%20Table)[Open](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dp8PEa4Y2_ezAMc-HKR0nMchcFvDGkPbs5XLBsittHk/edit?disco=AAAACA-0Sjk&usp=suggestion_email_discussion&ts=5b3e955f)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Ayden Férdeline]	Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Delete: "wish"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Marika Konings]
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