[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods

Sun Jul 1 07:10:44 EEST 2018

Transcription please, and they should keep up with the tech solutions
available. It is not only transparency but accessibility, research and
analysis.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 4:06 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> This is a cost of doing business for ICANN.
>
> Yes, we should continue to request that all meetings be transcribed.
>
> The response is very odd anyway. Why must the Verizon audio bridge be used
> for transcription? Why can’t they just sent the mp3 file over to the
> transcriber?
>
> Ayden
>
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>
> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 06:02, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Here is the estimate about the cost of meeting transcript. I think we will
> need to decide if we continue pushing for « transcription of all WG
> meetings ». We need to find balance here and move forward.
>
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From:* Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
> *Date:* July 1, 2018 at 12:34:17 AM GMT+2
> *To:* "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>, Michele Neylon -
> Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Cc:* "epdp-dt at icann.org" <epdp-dt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* *Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods*
>
> If I am not mistaken, the costs for transcripts are approx. 300 USD per
> hour. It should be taken into account though that if transcripts are
> expected with the current quality and turnaround time, it also means that
> all calls will need to be held on a Verizon phone bridge which is more
> expensive than a non-operator PGI call which is currently used for smaller
> calls such as sub-team or work track meetings for which no transcripts are
> requested. As such, if you decide to request that transcripts are made
> available for all EPDP calls, this will need to be called out in the
> ‘resources expected to be available’ section as it is not part of the
> standard services.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Marika
>
>
>
> *From: *Epdp-dt <epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of "Austin, Donna
> via Epdp-dt" <epdp-dt at icann.org>
> *Reply-To: *Donna Austin <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
> *Date: *Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 16:15
> *To: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Cc: *"epdp-dt at icann.org" <epdp-dt at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
>
>
>
> I agree, transcripts don’t equate to transparency.
>
>
>
> It would be helpful to understand the cost and make a judgment about
> benefit v cost.
>
>
>
> I think we’ve identified a number of benefits and we should also take into
> account that we expect alternates for the EPDP to keep up to date with
> events and it seems to me that transcripts could be the most efficient way
> to do this.
>
>
>
> Donna
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
> Ayden
>
> Transparency does not mean transcripts.
>
> If you want to argue in favour of transcripts you隆炉re welcome to do so,
> but there隆炉s a big difference
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
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> *From:* Ayden F篓娄rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2018 3:45:19 PM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> *Cc:* Stephanie Perrin; epdp-dt at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
>
>
>
> While I think it is reasonable to ask how much transcription costs,
> ultimately transparency is an institutional concept mandated by our own
> Operating Procedures and a conceptual component of the principle of
> democracy. The legitimation of any authority, including that of ICANN,
> requires decisions that are reached, including the political and
> non-political objectives that feed into these decisions, to be properly
> understood and withstand scrutiny. Scrutiny is impossible without detailed
> and accessible records. This is negotiable only up to a point. We can
> negotiate over who does the transcripts or how long they take to produce
> (and I don't think they need to be fast-tracked ordinarily), but we cannot
> negotiate over whether transcripts are produced.
>
>
>
> This EPDP will attract a great level of interest and scrutiny from across
> the ICANN community. I think it is of the highest importance for the
> credibility of the GNSO that our agenda setting and decision making
> processes be seen as being as transparent as possible, particularly in
> light of the attention that this EPDP will generate.
>
>
>
> 隆陋Ayden
>
>
>
>
>
> 漏漏漏漏 漏漏漏 Original Message 漏漏 漏漏漏漏漏
>
> On 30 June 2018 10:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> We don隆炉t have an actual cost though, do we?
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
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> On 30 Jun 2018, at 14:29, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.
> utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> There are so many advantages...transcripts are searchable, you can do
> analytics on them with easily available tools (Discourse analysis, e.g.),
> you can copy and put it through google translate....a matter that is rather
> basic in terms of fundamental fairness to non-english language speakers.  I
> think for the amount of money we are blowing on belated compliance with DP
> law, this is peanuts.
>
> cheers Stephanie
>
>
>
> On 2018-06-29 14:16, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
>
>  Oh yes! Specially for timing, I can read insanely faster than I have to
> listen to a recording (even if I only have to listen to it once).
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On 29 Jun 2018, at 07:00, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> A question for our multi-lingual colleagues. Are transcripts better/easier
> for non-English speakers to review a meeting than listening to the
> recording?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> If the transcription was 隆掳cost effective隆卤 then I wouldn隆炉t have as much
> of an issue with it, but I隆炉d prefer we had some visibility on costs
> before we make a commitment to it
>
>
>
> A lot of calls / meetings have a lot of spurious discussions which aren隆炉t
> adding any value. Of course there is value in the meetings overall, but you
> should be able to get that from the minutes / notes of the meetings
>
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> *From: *   Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul at gutierrez.se >
> *Date:* Thursday 28 June 2018 at 16:19
> *To:* "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com " <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com >, "epdp-dt at icann.org" <
> epdp-dt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
>
>
>
> All cloud services offer now voice to text, and ti takes just a little bit
> of money and a few seconds of ai computational power:
>
>
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-transcribe-scalable-and-accurate-
> automatic-speech-recognition/
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> The problem is not the transcription, but the process ICANN (still) uses
> for transcriptions
>
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> El 2018-06-28 16:10, Martin Pablo Silva Valent escribi篓庐 :
>
> I agree with Ayden that transcript are a useful feature for this kind of
> work at icann. And we already have automated transcript as far as I know,
> we can ask for opinon to staff towards cost, but is not intuitive to me
> that transcripts are not worthy in such a special case. The value for
> transparency and the ability to read debate is also very useful.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mart篓陋n
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 19:29 Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
> Ayden
>
>
>
> I disagree with the transcription of all meetings. The costs involved with
> that are disproportionately high and ICANN funds would be better directed
> elsewhere
>
>
>
> I agree with most of your other points.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
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> *From: *   Epdp-dt <epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org > on behalf of Ayden F 篓娄 rdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com >
> *Reply-To:* Ayden F篓娄 rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com >
> *Date:* Wednesday 27 June 2018 at 17:34
> *To:* "epdp-dt at icann.org " <epdp-dt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I would like to request several revisions be made to the EPDP Working
> Methods please:
>
>
>
> *1)* *All*  *meetings must be recorded and transcribed.*
>
>
>
> Please revise this text from:
>
>
>
> *In addition to the standard services provided to GNSO PDP Working Groups
> such as policy staff support, mailing lists and regular conference calls,
> including recording and transcription where needed (frequency and duration
> to be decided by EPDP team), the EPDP team will need appropriate support
> to:*
>
>
>
> To:
>
>
>
> *All calls of the EPDP must be recorded and transcribed, and said
> recordings and call transcriptions must be publicly accessible from the
> ICANN website. Standard support offered to GNSO PDP Working Groups,
> including but not limited to the provision of a wiki space, archived
> mailing lists, and conference call facilities, will be required. In
> addition, the EPDP will need appropriate support to:*
>
>
>
> *2) Google Docs may* *only*   *be used in conjunction with Google Vault.*
>
>
>
> Please revise the text from:
>
>
>
> *the EPDP Team should consider which tools provide the best flexibility to
> facilitate online collaboration, such as the wiki and Google docs.*
>
>
>
> To:
>
>
>
> *the EPDP Team should consider which tools provide the best flexibility to
> facilitate online collaboration, but it must do so in accordance with the
> principles of accountability and transparency that are so important to the
> GNSO. If Google Docs or other G Suite products are used, it* *must* *be
> used in conjunction with Google Vault, which logs data for archival
> purposes. Similarly, if other tools are used, they may be used only if they
> preserve information to a level that meets or exceeds eDiscovery standards
> in California, being the location of ICANN's headquarters.*
>
>
>
> *3) Translation of executive summary and recommendations of the initial
> report for public comment, and of the entire final report, into ICANN's
> official languages.*
>
>
>
> Suggested text:
>
>
>
> *The substantive work of the EPDP must be translated into ICANN's official
> languages in order to provide non-English-fluent stakeholders with an equal
> level of access to review the work of the EPDP. For the initial report(s),
> this must consist of the executive summary and recommendations, and for the
> final report, this must be a translation of the entire report.*
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ayden F篓娄rdeline
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