[NCSG-PC] Fw: [Gnso-sc-budget] Where is CROP in the FY19 Budget?
Arsène Tungali
arsenebaguma at gmail.com
Wed Feb 14 08:23:57 EET 2018
Only seen this conversation now, i was on the other thread. We need a strategy here on how to punch this back.
(Also, i have the impression that GAC will still receive 40 travelers for fy19 as last year. No cut from them on this, from the clarifying questions responses. Am i right?)
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> On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:04 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
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> Thanks, Farzaneh-
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> This is exactly the issue. It was a core activity, referred to in ICANN’s annual report for 2017 as a highlighted "success", and has now disappeared in the middle of the night with no notice to us whatsoever. This is neither open, fair, nor transparent (read: ICANN’s core values). Why did ICANN highlight reductions to the fellowship programme in their webinar (and to travel support for the ALAC and GAC) but not this cut in support to the GNSO and the ALAC? It is not acceptable for this to happen in secret.
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>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 20:54, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would like to clarify something here.
>>
>> CROP most definitely became a part of core budget to the extent that the decisions that were made on last year's ABR referred to as it being a part of the core budget. There was no discussion to remove it. Please look at the decisions on ABRs which I have attached and copy pasted one of the decisions below to the request for expansion of CROP:
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>> FY18-10- BC-Outreach Events BC Request for CROPP Program Travel Slot Expansion (Yes-Core)(0)(Benedetta Rossi) After four consecutive and successful calendar years in its pilot phase, the Community Regional Outreach Pilot Program (CROPP) has now become a core project provided to the community via the Policy Development Support department budget. For FY18, travel allocations for eligible GNSO constituencies will be increased to five regional travelers for the fiscal year to conduct outreach activities via traditional collaboration with ICANN's regional VPs. See FY18-65 for further information on the newly labeled "CROP" Program.
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>> If something has become a part of the CORE BUDGET, its removal has to be done transparently with justification. If it has been removed from the core budget we must know about it. I don't think we need to speculate whether it was pilot or not pilot, We were informed that it became a part of the core budget, their responses to our ABRs last year are evidence to that.
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>> Best
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>> Farzaneh
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>> Farzaneh
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>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the tip; I will check the transcripts from Copenhagen. However I thought that it was mentioned that CROP was ending as CROPP (pilot programme) and becoming a part of the core budget. And indeed that was the case for the fiscal year 2018; where it is a core activity. The removal of CROP harms both the NCPH and the ALAC. We must punch back...
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>>> Ayden
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>>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 20:19, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I do remember back in Copenhagen that it was mentioned by staff that crop was coming to an end as a pilot program, because it wasn't working like ot was expected. I can't recall the specific arguemtno given back then. At council level we won't get cph support if they don't feel generous to do so, but we can push in ncsg level for sure (even in ncph).
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>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Martin
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>>>>> On 12 Feb 2018 10:45, "Poncelet Ileleji" <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Ayden,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for taken your time to explain the deliberations you had today. Definitely a hard task when as Chair neutrality is required, so kudos to your efforts in raising the issue, even though a lot of clarity is still required moving on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion lets give Xavier and is team some time to make clarity on CROP, I don't want to assume yet, though communication was definitely negligent on this issue. However lets wait and react proper when Xavier and team gets back to us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Poncelet
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>> On 12 February 2018 at 19:02, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I chaired the GNSO's Standing Committee on ICANN Budget and Operations call today and asked both Xavier and Becky about what happened to CROP. As chair the expectation is that I be neutral, and we had no other NCSG representatives on the call, so I could not push the importance of CROP as much I had hoped. If anything I think the criticism could be made, and I would accept it, that I was insufficiently neutral as chair in pushing for an answer here.
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>>>>>> There was certainly not widespread support for the continuation of CROP among the call participants, particularly from the contracted parties, who - and this was just my impression, perhaps I misunderstood them - seemed to me to be suggesting that it was sensible for ICANN to have cut back CROP. They see it as a "nice to have" rather than an "essential" piece of the budget. Staff comments made in the Adobe Connect room as "personal observations" wondered whether we would like CROP or support dedicated to internal capacity building, suggesting we could only have one and not both.
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>>>>>> So I do not have much more clarity just yet as to what has happened to CROP; the Finance department is checking to see if it was folded into a different budget, has been renamed, or was indeed cancelled (it seems there has been a lot of internal discussions in relation to CROP that the community was not privy to), but if it's gone, we really need to fight to save it. We are going to need to mobilise members in support of it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After all, if CROP can just mysteriously disappear from the Budget with no announcement or community consultation, what might go next?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden
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>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> On 11 February 2018 11:00 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> This is a real problem, and especially to do it in the dead of night without notice to the Community.
>>>>>>> Ayden: would it be possible to ask ICANN Staff to give us a table of what's "in" and "out" from last year's budget? It seems very fair in the interest of transparency.
>>>>>>> Also, I am sorry to see funding for ICANNWiki go down considerably (or was it eliminated completely)? I use ICANN Wiki all the time to try to remember someone, learn about someone and see what they've worked on in ICANN. ICANNWiki staff has told me they want to continue and finding funding, but they need some time to transition off ICANN funding. That seems very fair.
>>>>>>> Best and tx to Ayden, Kathy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2018 1:14 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have sent the below email to the mailing list of the GNSO's Standing Committee on Budget and Operations. If true, and I hope I am simply mistaken, I will revise our (NCSG) comment on the FY19 Budget to strongly protest the removal of CROP from the budget. Core activities should not disappear without first being announced. I really hope I am wrong here...
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>>>>>>>> —Ayden
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>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>> On 11 February 2018 6:58 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was reviewing the FY19 Budget documents and cannot seem to find where CROP is. In the FY18 Budget, it was a part of project ID # 151188.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the ICANN website, CROP is described as being a core activity: "Following another successful implementation of the CROPP in FY17, the "pilot" program label has been removed and the activity has been moved to the Policy Development Support budget as part of the core activities to be coordinated by that staff in collaboration with the GSE team."
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>>>>>>>>> Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place, or it has a new project ID; could someone please let me know where I can find CROP in the FY19 Budget? Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>>
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