<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Only seen this conversation now, i was on the other thread. We need a strategy here on how to punch this back.<div><br></div><div>(Also, i have the impression that GAC will still receive 40 travelers for fy19 as last year. No cut from them on this, from the clarifying questions responses. Am i right?)<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><br>On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:04 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Thanks, Farzaneh-</div>
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<div>This is exactly the issue. It was a core activity, referred to in ICANN’s annual report for 2017 as a highlighted "success", and has now disappeared in the middle of the night with no notice to us whatsoever. This is neither open, fair, nor
transparent (read: ICANN’s core values). Why did ICANN highlight reductions to the fellowship programme in their webinar (and to travel support for the ALAC and GAC) but not this cut in support to the GNSO and the ALAC? It is not acceptable for this
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">CROP most definitely became a part of core budget to the extent that the decisions that were made on last year's ABR referred to as it being a part of the core budget. There was no discussion to remove it. Please look at the decisions on ABRs
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">FY18-10- BC-Outreach Events BC Request for CROPP Program Travel Slot Expansion (Yes-Core)(0)(Benedetta Rossi) After four consecutive and successful calendar years in its pilot phase, the Community Regional Outreach Pilot Program (CROPP) has
now become a core project provided to the community via the Policy Development Support department budget. For FY18, travel allocations for eligible GNSO constituencies will be increased to five regional travelers for the fiscal year to
conduct outreach activities via traditional collaboration with ICANN's regional VPs. See FY18-65 for further information on the newly labeled "CROP" Program.
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If something has become a part of the CORE BUDGET, its removal has to be done transparently with justification. If it has been removed from the core budget we must know about it. I don't think we need to speculate whether it was pilot or not
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<div>Thanks for the tip; I will check the transcripts from Copenhagen. However I thought that it was mentioned that CROP was ending as CROPP (pilot programme) and becoming a part of the core budget. And indeed that was the case for
the fiscal year 2018; where it is a core activity. The removal of CROP harms both the NCPH and the ALAC. We must punch back...</div>
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<div dir="auto">I do remember back in Copenhagen that it was mentioned by staff that crop was coming to an end as a pilot program, because it wasn't working like ot was expected. I can't recall the specific arguemtno given back then.
At council level we won't get cph support if they don't feel generous to do so, but we can push in ncsg level for sure (even in ncph).
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<div>I chaired the GNSO's Standing Committee on ICANN Budget and Operations call today and asked both Xavier and Becky about what happened to CROP. As chair the expectation is that I be neutral, and
we had no other NCSG representatives on the call, so I could not push the importance of CROP as much I had hoped. If anything I think the criticism could be made, and I would accept it, that
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<div>There was certainly not widespread support for the continuation of CROP among the call participants, particularly from the contracted parties, who - and this was just my impression, perhaps I
misunderstood them - seemed to me to be suggesting that it was sensible for ICANN to have cut back CROP. They see it as a "nice to have" rather than an "essential" piece of the budget. Staff
comments made in the Adobe Connect room as "personal observations" wondered whether we would like CROP or support dedicated to internal capacity building, suggesting we could only have one
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<div>So I do not have much more clarity just yet as to what has happened to CROP; the Finance department is checking to see if it was folded into a different budget, has been renamed, or was indeed
cancelled (it seems there has been a lot of internal discussions in relation to CROP that the community was not privy to), but if it's gone, we really need to fight to save it. We are going
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<div>After all, if CROP can just mysteriously disappear from the Budget with no announcement or community consultation, what might go next?
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<p>This is a real problem, and especially to do it in the dead of night without notice to the Community.
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table of what's "in" and "out" from last year's budget? </i>It seems very fair in the interest of transparency.
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<p>Also, I am sorry to see funding for ICANNWiki go down considerably (or was it eliminated completely)? I use ICANN Wiki all the time to try to remember someone, learn about someone
and see what they've worked on in ICANN. ICANNWiki staff has told me they want to continue and finding funding, but they need some time to transition off ICANN funding. That seems
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<div>I was reviewing the FY19 Budget documents and cannot seem to find where CROP is. In the FY18 Budget, it was a part of project ID # 151188.
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website</a>, CROP is described as being a core activity: "Following another successful implementation of the CROPP in FY17, the "pilot" program label has been removed and the activity has been moved to the Policy Development Support budget
as part of the core activities to be coordinated by that staff in collaboration with the GSE team."
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<div>Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place, or it has a new project ID; could someone please let me know where I can find CROP in the FY19 Budget? Thank you.
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