[NCSG-PC] Response to IPC/BC model

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Fri Apr 6 03:46:29 EEST 2018


Agreed, excellent points Farzi.

Stephanie

On 2018-04-05 19:25, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Thanks for articulating this; you both raise very good points. Agreed 
> - let's only send this in to ICANN.
>
> Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 6 April 2018 1:21 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Very good point. We should not submit to the email address they 
>> provided. We can send it as a correspondence to the CEO, and use GDPR 
>> public comment address. IPC/BC cannot come up with their own comment 
>> analysis and their process. We have to make it clear that the only 
>> reason we are making the comment is for ICANN and the rest of the 
>> community know what we think about it.
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     while still reviewing the draft as there were several changes
>>     lately, with regard to whom to send I don't think there are
>>     mutually exclusive options here. it can be sent to BCC and IPC,
>>     Goran and Cherine, to the ICANN GDPR dedicated mail address.  no
>>     problem here.
>>
>>     but I would like that make clear that by sending this letter or
>>     de facto input to BC/IPC, are we stating implicitly or not that
>>     we will participate in their ad hoc process regarding the
>>     accreditation model from now on? this is something we have to be
>>     clear about when communicating with them,
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Rafik
>>
>>     2018-04-06 8:03 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin
>>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>>
>>         The whole process is flawed, I think we should send it to the
>>         GDPR address so that it is put on the web under community
>>         feedback on models.
>>
>>         Stephanie
>>
>>         On 2018-04-05 18:36, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
>>>
>>>         It seems a little funny to send me to send a copy directly
>>>         to winterfeldt law -- how about just the first email address?
>>>
>>>         Also, perhaps we should publish our comment...
>>>
>>>         Best, Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 4/5/2018 6:30 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>         They have asked that comments be sent to:
>>>>
>>>>         stakeholders can provide written comments on the
>>>>         accreditation model proposal to3amcomments at gmail.com
>>>>         <mailto:3amcomments at gmail.com>, with a copy
>>>>         tointernet at winterfeldt.law <mailto:internet at winterfeldt.law>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         I hope all comments will be publicly published. Feels a
>>>>         little odd simply sending this to a Gmail account.
>>>>
>>>>         Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>         On 6 April 2018 12:27 AM, Kathy Kleiman
>>>>         <kathy at kathykleiman.com> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>         Hi Ayden, Good question. I think we should send it to
>>>>>         Cherine and Goran and copy the email address in which
>>>>>         Brian Winterfeldt and his law firm asked for "comments.'
>>>>>
>>>>>         /I can't seem to find that email address right now --
>>>>>         would you happen to have it?/
>>>>>
>>>>>         All on the PC, I'm downloading the document shortly for
>>>>>         final check of the citations and formatting. Google doc
>>>>>         does not make indented citations easy :-).  No more edits,
>>>>>         please. I'll have this over to Rafik and Farzi shortly.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Best, Kathy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 4/5/2018 6:17 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>         I understand from the notifications from Google that
>>>>>>         changes are being accepted, that work is still underway
>>>>>>         editing this document and getting it into a submittable
>>>>>>         state. So I suppose now is the time to ask, who are we
>>>>>>         sending this letter to? BC Chair and IPC President, with
>>>>>>         Goran and Cherine in cc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         -- Ayden
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>>         On 4 April 2018 4:09 AM, Kathy Kleiman
>>>>>>         <kathy at kathykleiman.com> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>
>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Tx to Ayden for his excellent edits, now incorporated
>>>>>>>         (with a few comments highlighting proposed rephrasing,
>>>>>>>         Ayden). Tx also to Martin for his review!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Back to the PC to continue review...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Best, Kathy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On 4/3/2018 7:40 PM, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
>>>>>>>>         I am reading it now, but between Kathy and Ayden’s
>>>>>>>>         work, it looks good to go. I’ll add my comments if any.
>>>>>>>>         So far, my full support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Cheers,
>>>>>>>>         Martín
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On 3 Apr 2018, at 20:38, Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>>>         <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         I have reviewed the document now and put forward some
>>>>>>>>>         suggested edits. Some are substantive changes but all
>>>>>>>>>         are in the same spirit of the original text.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         The formatting looks a bit odd; I hope the text
>>>>>>>>>         alignments can be corrected prior to submission.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         I think the conclusion lacks punch; but can’t think of
>>>>>>>>>         what it is missing at the moment...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Ayden
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         P.S. Thanks to those who drafted it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 01:24, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>>         <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>         Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         thanks for this.
>>>>>>>>>>         I would like to ask PC members to review it asap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         2018-04-04 6:57 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii
>>>>>>>>>>         <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>             Hi all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>             Im on a plane so let me know if the link below is
>>>>>>>>>>             correct. Kathy has written a response on ipc bc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>             https://docs.google.com/document/d/16miuxuAYYgwUQHPde8N02W6G84oibuV9m4W3ZTeI_SA
>>>>>>>>>>             <https://docs.google.com/document/d/16miuxuAYYgwUQHPde8N02W6G84oibuV9m4W3ZTeI_SA>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>             We need to go through it asap and send it before
>>>>>>>>>>             their meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>             Please comment quickly and make sure you are on
>>>>>>>>>>             suggestion mode (i set it that way not sure it
>>>>>>>>>>             went through)
>>>>>>>>>>             -- 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>             Farzaneh
>>>>>>>>>>
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