[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC

Sat Sep 9 17:59:18 EEST 2017

I agree.  I still think the easiest way out of this to say council 
experience is essential, because I think most of us agree it is.

cheers Steph

On 2017-09-09 09:10, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:
>
> I am going to review Kris's application but I agree with the following:
>
> - Council experience is essential though not the absolute must. I am 
> ready to endorse Paul because being aware of his experience and also 
> from his bio I think he is able to take a strong stand and he will be 
> good with GAC. However, Julf would be my top option for endorsement.
>
> - We can't endorse 4 people.
>
> - If we consider Kris's application we need to rank those who apply 
> and endorse one or two. I am going to consider the application because 
> I just don't want to write people off before reviewing their 
> applications. Of course, if we decided that he submitted it in time 
> and following the formal procedure we established.
>
> Warm regards,
> Tanya
>
> On 09/09/17 15:04, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>
>> I agree you absolutely need council experience.  We cannot have 
>> someone with no council experience trying to explain things to the 
>> GAC.  Council is hard enough to master (said she who is still 
>> mastering procedures)
>>
>> Steph
>>
>>
>> On 2017-09-09 08:57, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure 
>>> to whom his application was sent.
>>>
>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
>>>> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
>>>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden Férdeline 
>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>
>>>> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he 
>>>> has my total trust.
>>>> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
>>>> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to 
>>>> streamline the process and introduce clarity.
>>>> Stefania
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden 
>>>> Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
>>>> A: Tapani Tarvainen
>>>> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a 
>>>> fourth candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to 
>>>> confirm this? If true - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we 
>>>> might need to re-think our strategy as to who we endorse...
>>>>
>>>> —Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
>>>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>>>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
>>>> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
>>>> with councillor experience.
>>>>
>>>> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
>>>> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
>>>> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
>>>> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
>>>> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
>>>> short.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
>>>> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
>>>> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina 
>>>> (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Ayden,
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
>>>> > preferred order is the best way.
>>>> >
>>>> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
>>>> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Tanya
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>> > > Hi Rafik,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
>>>> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
>>>> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
>>>> > > application.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
>>>> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
>>>> > > follows:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
>>>> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
>>>> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Best wishes, Ayden
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>>>> > >> Liaison to the GAC
>>>> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>>>> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>>>> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>>>> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Hi,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed 
>>>> to SSC.
>>>> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>>>> > >> time to review it.
>>>> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that 
>>>> sending many
>>>> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>>>> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>>>> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC 
>>>> easier
>>>> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the 
>>>> deadline. if
>>>> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal 
>>>> application
>>>> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Best,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Rafik
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>>>> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> I support.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Cheers,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Tanya
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> > >>> Hi,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>>>> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>>>> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>>>> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Best,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Rafik
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Hi,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>>>> > >>> support their candidacies — we have not been delegated the
>>>> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Best wishes,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Arsène Tungali
>>>> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>>>> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Arsène
>>>> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
>>>> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>>>> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>>>> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>>> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>>>> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>>>> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>>>> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>>>> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>>>> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>>>> > >>>> 
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>>>> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
>>>> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>>>> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>>>> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>>>> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>>>> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>>>> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>>>> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>>>> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>>>> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>>>> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>>>> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
>>>> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>>>> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>>>> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>>>> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>>>> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>>>> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>>>> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>>>> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>>>> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>>>> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>>>> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>>> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>>>> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>>>> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>>>> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>>>> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
>>>> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>>>> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>>>> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>>>> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>>>> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>>>> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
>>>> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>>> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
>>>> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>>>> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>>>> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
>>>> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>>>> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>>>> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>>>> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>>>> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>>>> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>>>> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>>>> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>>>> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>>>> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>>>> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>>>> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
>>>> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>>>> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>>>> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>>>> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>>>> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>>>> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>>>> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>>>> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>>>> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>>>> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
>>>> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
>>>> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>>> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
>>>> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>>>> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>>>> > >>>> 
>>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>>> > >>>> 
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>>>> > >>>> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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