[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC

Sat Sep 9 16:43:04 EEST 2017

Hi all,

some comments:
- all applications should be reviewed before endorsement or not. so
applications of Pascal and Kris should be reviewed and assess them as a
matter of fairness since we made a call for candidatures within the NCSG
list. please review the applications and read carefully the description of
GAC liaison role.
- ranking can be the guidance for our reps to SSC and assess the situation
with regard to other stakeholders endorsements and positioning. we don't
need necessarily to indicate such ranking of preference while we can do it.
at the end, it is one seat to fill.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-09 22:31 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> I see Council experience as desirable but not essential. In the case of
> Paul, I do not believe his lack of Council experience would hinder his
> ability to perform the duties expected of him. Julf is active in many fora
> at ICANN; this may even be a good opportunity to spread the workload,
> reactivating the involvement of one of our larger, less active
> organisational members in ICANN processes. Just a thought.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 2:10 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 13:10
> From: t.tropina at mpicc.de
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
>
> I am going to review Kris's application but I agree with the following:
>
> - Council experience is essential though not the absolute must. I am ready
> to endorse Paul because being aware of his experience and also from his bio
> I think he is able to take a strong stand and he will be good with GAC.
> However, Julf would be my top option for endorsement.
> - We can't endorse 4 people.
>
> - If we consider Kris's application we need to rank those who apply and
> endorse one or two. I am going to consider the application because I just
> don't want to write people off before reviewing their applications. Of
> course, if we decided that he submitted it in time and following the formal
> procedure we established.
>
> Warm regards,
> Tanya
>
>
> On 09/09/17 15:04, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
> I agree you absolutely need council experience.  We cannot have someone
> with no council experience trying to explain things to the GAC.  Council is
> hard enough to master (said she who is still mastering procedures)
>
> Steph
>
> On 2017-09-09 08:57, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure to
> whom his application was sent.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> <icann at ferdeline.com>
> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has my
> total trust.
> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to streamline the
> process and introduce clarity.
> Stefania
>
> ________________________________________
> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>
> <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden Férdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
> A: Tapani Tarvainen
> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
>
> Hi,
>
> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth
> candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true
> - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our
> strategy as to who we endorse...
>
> —Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> Hi all,
>
> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
> with councillor experience.
>
> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
> short.
>
> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>
> Tapani
>
> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (
> t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ayden,
> >
> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
> > preferred order is the best way.
> >
> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tanya
> >
> >
> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> > > Hi Rafik,
> > >
> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
> > > application.
> > >
> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
> > >
> > > Best wishes, Ayden
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -------- Original Message --------
> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
> > >> Liaison to the GAC
> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
> > >> time to review it.
> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
> > >>
> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Rafik
> > >>
> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de> <t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
> > >>
> > >> I support.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Tanya
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rafik
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com>>:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
> > >>> support their candidacies — we have not been delegated the
> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best wishes,
> > >>>
> > >>> Ayden Férdeline
> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Arsène Tungali
> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Arsène
> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243
> 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> <+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG:
> 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
> > >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>
> <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> <+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1
> (202)
> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> <+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1
> (202) 738-1739 <+1%20202-738-1739>
> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> <+1%20202-738-1739> >
> www.redbranchconsulting.com
> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com>
> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com>
> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
> > >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=
> 0x9A830097CA066684
> > >>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=
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