[NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment

Tue May 23 17:22:48 EEST 2017

Hi,

thanks for the support Poncelet, I think we have now Ed, Ayden, Matt,
Poncelet, myself and with no objection during the last 12hours. I think we
have a consensus and I will submit the comment. I would have preferred that
worked out this quickly but acknowledge that we needed to resolve any
concern or comments.
we have 2 comments to work on this week but then waiting few weeks till the
next one.

Best,

Rafik

2017-05-23 22:42 GMT+09:00 Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm>:

> Hello Rafik,
>
> Thanks for sharing, and thanks Matthew for the great work, I definitely
> endorse the revised  comments also.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Poncelet
>
> On 23 May 2017 at 13:08, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> Much thanks to Matt. I'm not sure what happened to my revisions - Google
>> docs and I don't seem to get along - but fully support submitting the
>> revised comment ASAP.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 23 May 2017, at 13:56, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> attached the latest version after Matt edits.
>> I think it is time to submit, we are already over 3 days late from the
>> deadline.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-05-23 20:20 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
>>
>>> I saw that Ed had said he had nuanced the language a little but did not
>>> see the changes so I have added to small edits to the text.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> On 23/05/2017 13:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> These comments were not Stephanie's but mine.   I am happy for them to
>>> be removed from this doc in the interest of moving this forward but I do
>>> believe that they should be addressed at some point in time.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> On 23/05/2017 01:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>
>>> hi Ayden,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the review.
>>> I think the comments are from Stephanie and would like to ask her to do
>>> the edits asap. the comments are interesting but they are about the
>>> question to board about its interpretation of bylaws, how much are they
>>> critical to the current comment? I would wait for their resolution but we
>>> are quite late for submission. It will be a pity to miss a public comment.
>>>
>>> I am asking all PC members to reply to this comment, it is quite urgent.
>>> I understand we have support from Adyen, Ed, Matt. waiting for Stephanie to
>>> confirm that she is happy with the current version and if she can resolve
>>> her comments by suggesting wording. with no objection in next 12hours, I
>>> would submit the comment
>>>
>>> We have also the CC2 comments to act on asap, and SO/AC accountability
>>> by this Friday.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-05-22 21:47 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. I have made a few revisions to the
>>>> language now, and support the submission of this comment. However, there
>>>> are still some very good comments on the Google Doc that have not been
>>>> resolved. Could the author of these comments kindly consider revising the
>>>> Google Doc to take them into account?
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>> Review&Endorsment
>>>> Local Time: May 22, 2017 1:03 AM
>>>> UTC Time: May 22, 2017 12:03 AM
>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> please review asap the current draft and check if you are fine with the
>>>> wording. we should submit by Monday the comment.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-05-20 15:56 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the edits, waiting for other to go through and see if other
>>>>> changes are needed or if they are fine with the current version. We can
>>>>> send the comment this weekend after that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 20, 2017 7:11 AM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rafik, Ayden, Stephanie, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just went into the document and tried to soften the language a bit:
>>>>> unacceptable became inadvisable, I deleted a few of the harsher and perhaps
>>>>> more perhaps unintentionally  incendiary lines. I'm at work so it's a bit
>>>>> difficult at the moment for me to do much more - I'd certainly welcome
>>>>> further edits along those lines,  if folks felt they were needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent*: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:56 PM
>>>>> *To*: "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> I saw the comments but they look like questions for me and I cannot
>>>>> really respond to them. I think that they were made by Stephanie, maybe she
>>>>> can propose some edits there?
>>>>> I am happy to delay and hold for few hours the submission if we can
>>>>> get some wording and edits to be considered to change the tone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-05-20 6:49 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a quick clarification; I support the sentiment of the comment,
>>>>>> but as Stephanie alluded to, think it would be better if we are slightly
>>>>>> more tactful in the comment that we send through. I also note that an
>>>>>> anonymous commenter left some useful comments in the Google Doc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:45 pm, Rafik Dammak <
>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the comment,
>>>>>> I can understand we have support from Ed, Matt, Ayden, Stephanie and
>>>>>> myself for submitting the comment with no objection. also, support from
>>>>>> Avri as an observer. I interpret this as having consensus to send the
>>>>>> draft.
>>>>>> if there is no strong objections in next hours, I will submit the
>>>>>> comment on behalf of NCSG (document attached).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-05-20 6:27 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it is worded too strongly, but I will support it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2017-05-19 16:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so  I see there is more endorsement for opposing the deferral and we
>>>>>>> have the new draft here https://docs.google.com/d
>>>>>>> ocument/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit
>>>>>>> can you please express your position quickly so we can submit the
>>>>>>> comment in due time. I will also share the new draft in NCSG list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-05-19 23:39 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i also do not support postponement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19-May-17 04:51, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > My initial reaction is, I do not support the postponement of
>>>>>>>> mandatory
>>>>>>>> > Reviews. If there is a compelling reason for why this should
>>>>>>>> happen, I
>>>>>>>> > would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Many thanks,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Ayden
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>> >> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>>>> >> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>>>> >> Local Time: May 19, 2017 12:52 AM
>>>>>>>> >> UTC Time: May 18, 2017 11:52 PM
>>>>>>>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I am sharing here the draft made by Arshad about ccNSO review
>>>>>>>> >> deferral  https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>>>> nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx
>>>>>>>> FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I understand that Ed objected to the content and explained his
>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>> >> of view on NCSG mailing list
>>>>>>>> >> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee8
>>>>>>>> 0ad7.1705 .
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I need to hear from others about their positions and also any
>>>>>>>> >> suggestion on how to accommodate the 2 opposite views in the NCSG
>>>>>>>> >> comment i.e what can be the consensual position for NCSG here.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> the deadline for submission is also the 19th May and so we have
>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>> >> than 24hours to review and suggest a way to move forward.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> >> From: *Rafik Dammak* <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> >> Date: 2017-05-17 11:38 GMT+09:00
>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Consultation
>>>>>>>> >> To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>"
>>>>>>>> >> <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>, ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>> >> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Arshad kindly drafted and shared his draft for NCSG
>>>>>>>> >> comment https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>>>> nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx
>>>>>>>> FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Please review it, add your comments, express your support or not
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> >> order to assess what we have the common NCSG position on this
>>>>>>>> topics
>>>>>>>> >> and submitting in time. the deadline for submission is this
>>>>>>>> Friday
>>>>>>>> >> 19th May.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Best.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
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