[NCSG-PC] Proposed comments on BGC Changes - new link

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Thu May 11 04:43:21 EEST 2017


Thanks Rafik!

Stephanie


On 2017-05-10 21:38, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Thanks all, with no objections raised here or at NCSG list and with 
> support from Mathew, Ayden, Ed and myself, I submitted the NCSG 
> comment (attached).
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-05-10 22:01 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com 
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
>     Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. Noting that there has been no
>     opposition expressed on the main Discuss list, I support the
>     submission of this comment and extend my thanks to James and
>     Matthew for drafting it.
>
>     - Ayden
>
>
>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Proposed comments on BGC Changes - new link
>>     Local Time: May 10, 2017 1:44 PM
>>     UTC Time: May 10, 2017 12:44 PM
>>     From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>     To: Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com
>>     <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>>
>>     ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     the deadline for submission is less than 12 hours. if there is no
>>     objection by then, I think we can submit the comment. please
>>     respond asap.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Rafik
>>
>>     2017-05-10 13:03 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>         hi all,
>>
>>         this a reminder to get the votes/endorsement for the statement.
>>
>>         Best,
>>
>>         Rafik
>>
>>
>>         2017-05-09 22:57 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak
>>         <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>             Hi Matt,
>>
>>             thanks for the amendments,
>>             we need to endorse the comment within 24 hours. please,
>>             all PC members share your thoughts and if you endorsing
>>             or not the statement.
>>
>>             Best,
>>
>>             Rafik
>>
>>             2017-05-09 18:36 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears
>>             <matthew at intpolicy.com <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>>:
>>
>>                 Hi
>>
>>                 Would be good if I included the right link:
>>
>>                 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing
>>                 <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing>
>>
>>                 Thanks to Ayden for noticing.
>>
>>                 Matthew
>>
>>
>>                 On 09/05/2017 09:39, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>
>>                     Hi all
>>
>>                     Based on the feedback I have substantially
>>                     redrafted and shortened our submission.
>>
>>                     Please edit in the doc.
>>
>>                     https://docs.google.com/a/thefactory21.com/document/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing
>>                     <https://docs.google.com/a/thefactory21.com/document/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing>
>>
>>
>>                     Deadline tomorrow Wed 10 23.59 UTC.
>>
>>                     Matthew
>>
>>
>>                     On 08/05/2017 18:13, avri doria wrote:
>>
>>                         observer view: sounds good
>>
>>                         not sure the last bullet is needed.  the fact
>>                         that we are doing this
>>                         through the proper process is good  as a test
>>                         but is that a reason for
>>                         doing it? but it seems ok to include it.
>>
>>                         avri
>>
>>
>>
>>                         On 08-May-17 10:25, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>
>>                             Thanks all for the comments.
>>
>>                             Given the discussion, I am wondering
>>                             whether or not we need to make a
>>                             submission on this (there is only one so
>>                             far - from AFNIC).
>>
>>                             If we feel we do, we could in a short
>>                             statement:
>>
>>                                * Endorse the proposal for the
>>                             creation of the Board Accountability
>>                              Mechanisms Committee (BAMC)
>>                                * Recognize the importance of and the
>>                             need to respect the process
>>                                  for changing the fundamental bylaws
>>                                * State that the proposed change is a
>>                             useful and non-controversial
>>                                  way to engage and trial the
>>                             associated accountability mechanisms
>>
>>                             What other points could be added?
>>
>>                             Thanks.
>>
>>                             Matthew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                             On 07/05/2017 07:58, David Cake wrote:
>>
>>                                 We need to fully respect the process
>>                                 for changing the fundamental bylaws.
>>                                 I have absolutely no problem with the
>>                                 proposed change to do so - and
>>                                 actually, I think an uncontroversial
>>                                 change like this is a good trial for
>>                                 those processes.
>>
>>                                 I agree with Milton that while change
>>                                 is uncontroversial, it not only is it
>>                                 a fundamental bylaw, it is part of
>>                                 the accountability mechanisms, and we
>>                                 should insist that accountability
>>                                 mechanisms are changed only with due
>>                                 community process.
>>
>>                                 While I think in general we should
>>                                 avoid micromanaging board internal
>>                                 processes to this extent, and I
>>                                 understand the reasoning behind
>>                                 taking mention of a specific board
>>                                 committee out of bylaws, in practice
>>                                 the current wording is a very simple
>>                                 and easy to understand change, and
>>                                 wording that removed mention of a
>>                                 specific committee would be more
>>                                 complex and potentially more
>>                                 ambiguous. If a committee was created
>>                                 specifically for dealing with
>>                                 Accountability processes, it's
>>                                 unlikely any future changes would be
>>                                 necessary (the board could
>>                                 effectively recombine committees in
>>                                 the future if it wished without a
>>                                 bylaws change IMO).
>>
>>                                 David
>>
>>                                 Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>                                     On 6 May 2017, at 5:42 am, avri
>>                                     doria <avri at APC.ORG
>>                                     <mailto:avri at APC.ORG>> wrote:
>>
>>                                     hi,
>>
>>                                     Perhaps the problem is that we
>>                                     need to change the fundamental
>>                                     bylaws to
>>                                     take deciding on board committees
>>                                     out of the fundamental bylaws.
>>
>>                                     but in any case, got to do
>>                                     something about the bylaws.
>>
>>                                     avri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                                         On 05-May-17 15:23, Mueller,
>>                                         Milton L wrote:
>>
>>                                         Hi, Matt
>>
>>                                         There is not, and should not
>>                                         be, any way around this. The
>>                                         problem is
>>                                         not that ICANN needs a
>>                                         fundamental bylaw change to
>>                                         “create a new
>>                                         committee,” it is that
>>                                         Article 4 sec 3 of the
>>                                         bylaws, which is
>>                                         designated as “fundamental,”
>>                                         specifically names the BGC as
>>                                         the handler
>>                                         of Reconsideration requests.
>>                                         (““The Board has designated
>>                                         the Board
>>                                         Governance Committee to
>>                                         review and consider any such
>>                                         Reconsideration
>>                                         Requests.”)
>>
>>
>>
>>                                         Article 4 is also the home of
>>                                         a lot of other
>>                                         “Accountability and
>>                                         Review” stuff that we
>>                                         definitely do not want the
>>                                         board messing with
>>                                         without community approval.
>>
>>
>>
>>                                         So the board needs approval
>>                                         for this and should have to
>>                                         do through
>>                                         this exercise. But if the
>>                                         board decides to create a new
>>                                         “Committee to
>>                                         organize birthday
>>                                         celebrations” or a “Committee
>>                                         to Honor Snapping
>>                                         Turtles” I don’t think there
>>                                         would be any problem.
>>
>>                                         And going forward, I guess
>>                                         ICANN legal and the rest of
>>                                         us will be
>>                                         mindful of future flexibility
>>                                         when deciding where to put
>>                                         things in the
>>                                         bylaws.
>>
>>
>>
>>                                         Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>
>>                                         Professor, School of Public
>>                                         Policy <http://spp.gatech.edu/>
>>
>>                                         Georgia Institute of Technology
>>
>>                                         Internet Governance Project
>>
>>                                         http://internetgovernance.org/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                                         One issue that has been
>>                                         raised is that it seems silly
>>                                         to have to have
>>                                         a fundamental bylaw change
>>                                         for the Board to be able to
>>                                         create a new
>>                                         committee.  It is not clear
>>                                         that there is anyway around
>>                                         this but would
>>                                         love to hear otherwise.
>>
>>                                         Looking forward to your comments.
>>
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