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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks Rafik!</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-05-10 21:38, Rafik Dammak
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<div class="gmail_extra">Thanks all, with no objections raised
here or at NCSG list and with support from Mathew, Ayden, Ed
and myself, I submitted the NCSG comment (attached).</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-10 22:01 GMT+09:00 Ayden
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<div>Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. Noting that there
has been no opposition expressed on the main Discuss
list, I support the submission of this comment and
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Proposed comments on BGC
Changes - new link<br>
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<div>Local Time: May 10, 2017 1:44 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: May 10, 2017 12:44 PM<br>
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<div>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>To: Matthew Shears <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi all,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">the deadline for
submission is less than 12 hours. if there is no
objection by then, I think we can submit the
comment. please respond asap.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
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<div>2017-05-10 13:03 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <span
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<div class="gmail_extra">hi all,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">this a reminder
to get the votes/endorsement for the
statement.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
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<div>2017-05-09 22:57 GMT+09:00
Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi
Matt,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">thanks
for the amendments,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">we
need to endorse the comment
within 24 hours. please, all
PC members share your
thoughts and if you
endorsing or not the
statement.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
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<div>2017-05-09 18:36
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<div>Hi<br>
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<div> Would be good
if I included the
right link:<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> <a
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docume<wbr>nt/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscu<wbr>F77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=s<wbr>haring</a><br>
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<div> Thanks to
Ayden for
noticing.<br>
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<div> Matthew<br>
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<div> On 09/05/2017
09:39, Matthew
Shears wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi all<br>
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<div> Based on the
feedback I have
substantially
redrafted and
shortened our
submission.<br>
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<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Please edit
in the doc.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
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<div> <a
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rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/thefactory21.com/document/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/thef<wbr>actory21.com/document/d/1KPaIL<wbr>gBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyO<wbr>Iebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing</a>
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<div> Deadline
tomorrow Wed 10
23.59 UTC.<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> Matthew<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> <br>
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<div> On
08/05/2017
18:13, avri
doria wrote:<br>
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<div>observer
view: sounds
good<br>
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<div> <br>
</div>
<div> not sure
the last
bullet is
needed. the
fact that we
are doing this<br>
</div>
<div> through
the proper
process is
good as a
test but is
that a reason
for<br>
</div>
<div> doing it?
but it seems
ok to include
it.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> avri<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
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<div> On
08-May-17
10:25, Matthew
Shears wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks
all for the
comments.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Given
the
discussion, I
am wondering
whether or not
we need to
make a<br>
</div>
<div>
submission on
this (there is
only one so
far - from
AFNIC).<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> If we
feel we do, we
could in a
short
statement:<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> *
Endorse the
proposal for
the creation
of the Board
Accountability<br>
</div>
<div>
Mechanisms
Committee
(BAMC)<br>
</div>
<div> *
Recognize the
importance of
and the need
to respect the
process<br>
</div>
<div> for
changing the
fundamental
bylaws<br>
</div>
<div> *
State that the
proposed
change is a
useful and
non-controversial<br>
</div>
<div> way
to engage and
trial the
associated
accountability
mechanisms<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> What
other points
could be
added?<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Thanks.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Matthew<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> On
07/05/2017
07:58, David
Cake wrote:<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div>We need
to fully
respect the
process for
changing the
fundamental
bylaws. I have
absolutely no
problem with
the proposed
change to do
so - and
actually, I
think an
uncontroversial
change like
this is a good
trial for
those
processes.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> I agree
with Milton
that while
change is
uncontroversial,
it not only is
it a
fundamental
bylaw, it is
part of the
accountability
mechanisms,
and we should
insist that
accountability
mechanisms are
changed only
with due
community
process.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> While I
think in
general we
should avoid
micromanaging
board internal
processes to
this extent,
and I
understand the
reasoning
behind taking
mention of a
specific board
committee out
of bylaws, in
practice the
current
wording is a
very simple
and easy to
understand
change, and
wording that
removed
mention of a
specific
committee
would be more
complex and
potentially
more
ambiguous. If
a committee
was created
specifically
for dealing
with
Accountability
processes,
it's unlikely
any future
changes would
be necessary
(the board
could
effectively
recombine
committees in
the future if
it wished
without a
bylaws change
IMO).<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> David<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Sent
from my iPad<br>
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<div>On 6 May
2017, at 5:42
am, avri doria
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wrote:<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> hi,<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Perhaps
the problem is
that we need
to change the
fundamental
bylaws to<br>
</div>
<div> take
deciding on
board
committees out
of the
fundamental
bylaws.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> but in
any case, got
to do
something
about the
bylaws.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> avri<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
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<div>On
05-May-17
15:23,
Mueller,
Milton L
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Hi, Matt<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> There is
not, and
should not be,
any way around
this. The
problem is<br>
</div>
<div> not that
ICANN needs a
fundamental
bylaw change
to “create a
new<br>
</div>
<div>
committee,” it
is that
Article 4 sec
3 of the
bylaws, which
is<br>
</div>
<div>
designated as
“fundamental,”
specifically
names the BGC
as the handler<br>
</div>
<div> of
Reconsideration
requests.
(““The Board
has designated
the Board<br>
</div>
<div>
Governance
Committee to
review and
consider any
such
Reconsideration<br>
</div>
<div>
Requests.”)<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Article
4 is also the
home of a lot
of other
“Accountability
and<br>
</div>
<div> Review”
stuff that we
definitely do
not want the
board messing
with<br>
</div>
<div> without
community
approval.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> So the
board needs
approval for
this and
should have to
do through<br>
</div>
<div> this
exercise. But
if the board
decides to
create a new
“Committee to<br>
</div>
<div> organize
birthday
celebrations”
or a
“Committee to
Honor Snapping<br>
</div>
<div> Turtles”
I don’t think
there would be
any problem.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> And
going forward,
I guess ICANN
legal and the
rest of us
will be<br>
</div>
<div> mindful
of future
flexibility
when deciding
where to put
things in the<br>
</div>
<div> bylaws.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Dr.
Milton L
Mueller<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>
Professor,
School of
Public Policy
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target="_blank">http://spp.gatech.edu/</a>><br>
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<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Georgia
Institute of
Technology<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Internet
Governance
Project<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <a
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target="_blank">http://internetgovernance.org/</a><br>
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<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> One
issue that has
been raised is
that it seems
silly to have
to have<br>
</div>
<div> a
fundamental
bylaw change
for the Board
to be able to
create a new<br>
</div>
<div>
committee. It
is not clear
that there is
anyway around
this but would<br>
</div>
<div> love to
hear
otherwise.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Looking
forward to
your comments.<br>
</div>
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