[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Interest in GNSO SSC

Wed Mar 29 03:08:33 EEST 2017

My apologies, yes I meant March 30.

SP

On 2017-03-28 19:25, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> That is my understanding as well, Stephanie.
>
> Just a quick clarification that the first meeting of the SSC is this 
> week, on March 30th.
>
> It looks like RySG has appointed Maxim, RrSG has appointed Frédéric, 
> the BC has appointed Susan [though surely she must be recusing herself 
> from the RDS Review discussions], Lori will be there from the IPC, 
> Osvaldo from ISPCP, and Julf from NomCom.
>
> - Ayden
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Interest in GNSO SSC
>> Local Time: 28 March 2017 7:56 PM
>> UTC Time: 28 March 2017 18:56
>> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is, seeburnk at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your message Renata.  It is hard to keep up with the state 
>> of play, but I think we are now back to having a confidential 
>> discussion tomorrow without the candidates, Matt is organizing.  We 
>> are late in submitting names, as the first meeting is scheduled for 
>> April 30, but doubtless we shall get there eventually.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>>
>> On 2017-03-28 14:44, Renata Aquino Ribeiro wrote:
>>> Dear Stephanie and all
>>>
>>> Thanks for your message.
>>> I think the PC NCSG participants have a lot to discuss with this slate
>>> of highly qualified candidates. I wish slates like these always happen
>>> for selections.
>>> I'm not on the PC NCSG list and I've also seen that some part of the
>>> discussions members suggested to do it without the candidates, which I
>>> can also understand.
>>> If I am needed to provide any further information than that sent on my
>>> candidacy statement, I'll hope that someone emails me.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> This comment is unfair, in my view, Tapani.  It was not a long, secret
>>>> discussion.  I asked the question on the public list at 19:58 amsterdam
>>>> time, as you can see below.  Stefi responded at 15:03 EDT that contestants
>>>> should be removed.  I put together the list and forgot you (sorry, but these
>>>> things happen, it was not deliberate) at16:04 EDT, asking if I had forgotten
>>>> anyone.  I added you the next morning after Matt pointed out I forgot you at
>>>> 10:23 EDT.  I have forwarded three messages you missed. At any point you
>>>> could have fired off an email inquiring about the discussion, and whether
>>>> you had been omitted, had you noticed that the discussion on the PC list had
>>>> died following what appeared to be agreement to remove candidates.  I don't
>>>> really think the decision making on that was not transparent.
>>>> As I indicated earlier, it is only fair to add the other two contestants to
>>>> the discussion, now that it is on the PC list.  I do not believe they are
>>>> members. Accordingly, I am adding Renata and Kris.....Welcome to the
>>>> discussion on the Policy Committee list regarding choosing our
>>>> representatives for the GNSO Standing Selection Committee.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers Stephanie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-03-27 15:52, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> As it turns out the councillors involved in the decision had had long
>>>> email discussion about it without including me, I will stay out of
>>>> this decision and leave it to them to decide it as they see fit.
>>>>
>>>> I will only say for the record that while I accept that non-public
>>>> discussions are sometimes necessary, I'd want them in any case to be
>>>> publicly known about. Perhaps we need a setup like the NomCom to be
>>>> able to debate and make this kind of decisions without publicity, but
>>>> if so I'd want that and related procedures to be agreed on in advance.
>>>>
>>>> In any case I'm happy Matthew has taken the responsibility of
>>>> this and I trust he gets it done in time.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 27 10:19, Stephanie Perrin (stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just meant that the discussion about the candidates should take place
>>>> without the candidates there.  Further, we have two candidates who are not
>>>> on the policy list, so we would in fairness have to add them if we were
>>>> going to have an open discussion on the PC list.
>>>>
>>>> I think we should leave this an NCSG discussion and make all arguments based
>>>> on what makes the best slate of candidates.
>>>>
>>>> SP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-03-27 02:08, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Stefania and Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what you mean by removing the contestants from the
>>>> conversation. Do you want to exclude them from even listening in?
>>>>
>>>> If we have a call around this, should it not be recorded and
>>>> transcribed?
>>>>
>>>> That would not ... be exactly transparent.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, I agree they should not participate in the discussion about
>>>> the selection in general, but giving each an equal chance to make
>>>> their case would make sense. If we do arrange a call, giving each,
>>>> say, 5 minutes to speak might work.
>>>>
>>>> A candidate statement would be nice, but time is perhaps too short for
>>>> that already.
>>>>
>>>> As for the qualifications, two points:
>>>>
>>>> First, ncuc/npoc/ncsg division: I don't see we can do more than
>>>> ensure there is at least one from each constituency, with the third
>>>> we can do whatever we like.
>>>>
>>>> Second, besides qualifications already mentioned I think it'd make
>>>> sense to consider the workload. It might be better to pick a person
>>>> over another who'd be otherwise more qualified but who has more work
>>>> on her or his plate already.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 26 19:03, Milan, Stefania (Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Steph.
>>>> I think the contestants should be removed from the conversation.
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> Da: NCSG-PC<ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>  per conto di Stephanie Perrin
>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>>>> Inviato: domenica 26 marzo 2017 19.58.50
>>>> A:mshears at cdt.org;ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Interest in GNSO SSC
>>>>
>>>> So we have a day left to get this sorted.
>>>>
>>>> 1.  Should the contestants be removed from the discussion or not?
>>>>
>>>> 2.  Do we have further commentary on what the qualifying characteristics we
>>>> are looking for might be?
>>>>
>>>> 3.  While we have argued for a seat for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG, that actually
>>>> might be hard to achieve.  I dont think anyone will argue about how we sort
>>>> this, as long as we arent going to try to fight it out at Council.
>>>>
>>>> SP
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-03-25 20:00,mshears at cdt.org<mailto:mshears at cdt.org>  wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> The deadline for names is end of day 27 march.
>>>>
>>>> So far we have diversity, experience and representativeness including of
>>>> constituencies as criteria.
>>>>
>>>> My preference would be for the PC members who are not running to discuss the
>>>> candidates based on these criteria and try and reach agreement.  If that is
>>>> not possible or appropriate we can each suggest our preferred trio and see
>>>> if we have any rough consensus.  Other suggestions are welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>>>>
>>>> From: Stephanie Perrin<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>>>> Sent: 25 March 2017 15:44
>>>> To:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Interest in GNSO SSC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is the deadline again, and how are we arranging the voting?
>>>>
>>>> cheers Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-03-25 03:24, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree that diversity is indeed important. I would like to add that
>>>>
>>>> for that reason we should also have both of our constituencies
>>>>
>>>> represented.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not so sure if this would be a good place for a newcomer though,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like appointees to have at least some experience in this type of
>>>>
>>>> work, even if perhaps not so much in ICANN.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 24 12:33, Ayden Férdeline
>>>> (icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My personal preference would be to adopt principles similar to those of the
>>>> SSC, which entails trying to achieve a balance of representativeness,
>>>> diversity, and sufficient experience. So I would hope our three
>>>> representatives have a mixture of experience levels within the ICANN
>>>> community (I would welcome there being one slot set aside for a newcomer),
>>>> diversity (I would not support all three candidates being the same gender,
>>>> if all candidates are sufficiently qualified), and representativeness
>>>> (ideally the three representatives will be from different geographic regions
>>>> though I appreciate this is an imperfect metric). Or is this too simplistic
>>>> a rubric for assessing the candidates?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:23 pm, matthew shears
>>>> <mshears at cdt.org><mailto:mshears at cdt.org>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Given that Renata expressed an interest before the deadline yesterday and
>>>> that she has been having Internet challenges I believe that we should add
>>>> her candidacy to the mix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please respond to the e-mail on process I sent earlier. Obviously now with 5
>>>> candidates it is perhaps less clear that the "alternates" approach works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would appreciate therefore that we agree a set of criteria for the
>>>> selection process. Thoughts welcome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>
>>>> Subject:      Interest in GNSO SSC
>>>>
>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:13:52 -0300
>>>>
>>>> From:      Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>>>> [<raquino at gmail.com><mailto:raquino at gmail.com>](mailto:raquino at gmail.com)
>>>>
>>>> To:      Matthew Shears
>>>> [<mshears at cdt.org><mailto:mshears at cdt.org>](mailto:mshears at cdt.org)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to express interest in serving as a volunteer on the GNSO Standing
>>>> Selection Committee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've joined several working groups on ICANN and have learned about the GNSO
>>>> work in 3 fellowship opportunities so far (1 as a fellow and 2 as coach) and
>>>> also participated as NCUC supported traveller in ICANN55.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've also been on working groups related to reviews and procedures such as
>>>> GNSO Review and past working group SCI.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This would be an opportunity to learn more about working groups, teams and
>>>> appointments and also to help other community members who want to get more
>>>> involved to find their way into GNSO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My SOI
>>>>
>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Renata+Aquino+Ribeiro+SOI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had the impression I had sent this email before but you didn't receive it.
>>>> There are several flaws on my internet connection in Brazil this week so
>>>> please let me know if you received it and if there is still time for this
>>>> application.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:40:59 +0200
>>>>
>>>> From: Tapani Tarvainen
>>>> <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO><mailto:ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Call for volunteers - GNSO Standing Selection Committee - URGENT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See below. We need to appoint three (3) members to the SSC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are interested and would like to volunteer for the task,
>>>>
>>>> please let us know no later than Thursday, 23 March, 23:59 UTC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please read the council decision linked to below and explain why you
>>>>
>>>> think you would be qualified for the task.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note that there's no travel support, this is all done remotely, and
>>>>
>>>> it looks like there will be a fair amount of work involved - make
>>>>
>>>> sure you can commit yourself to the time required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Nathalie Peregrine
>>>> <nathalie.peregrine at icann.org><mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>  -----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15 March, the GNSO Council adopted the charter for the GNSO
>>>>
>>>> Standing Selection Committee (SSC) – see
>>>>
>>>> https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection-committee-15mar17-en.pdf[gnso.icann.org]
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dstanding-2Dselection-2Dcommittee-2D15mar17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=KmYsfcYHwH-JYXWIJ58L-ZnwETFBe1FrVJ8qghEsRV8&s=GmTt0n-0Bp3olHk5awt9BtmGRrEZnY7TI9fF4Fnvcy4&e=
>>>>
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dstanding-2Dselection-2Dcommittee-2D15mar17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=KmYsfcYHwH-JYXWIJ58L-ZnwETFBe1FrVJ8qghEsRV8&s=GmTt0n-0Bp3olHk5awt9BtmGRrEZnY7TI9fF4Fnvcy4&e=>.
>>>>>
>>>> The SSC is tasked, as requested by the GNSO Council, to 1), where
>>>>
>>>> applicable, prepare and issue calls for applications related to the
>>>>
>>>> selection or nomination of candidates for ICANN structures such as
>>>>
>>>> ICANN review teams as well as structures related to the Empowered
>>>>
>>>> Community, 2) review and evaluate all relevant applicants/candidates,
>>>>
>>>> 3) rank candidates and make selection/appointment recommendations for
>>>>
>>>> review and approval by Council and 4) communicate selections to all
>>>>
>>>> interested parties.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The membership structure of the SSC is as follows:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The SSC shall consist of a total of 9 members appointed as follows:
>>>>
>>>> - One member appointed by each Stakeholder Group of the Contracted Party
>>>> House;
>>>>
>>>> - One member appointed respectively from each of the Business Constituency,
>>>> the Intellectual Property Constituency, and the Internet Service Providers
>>>> and Connectivity Providers Constituency;
>>>>
>>>> - Three members appointed by the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group; and,
>>>>
>>>> - One member from one of the three Nominating-Committee appointees to the
>>>> GNSO Council.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The GNSO Council has tasked the SSC to carry out the review and
>>>>
>>>> selection of GNSO endorsed candidates for the Registration Directory
>>>>
>>>> Service Review Team for Council consideration at the latest by its 20
>>>>
>>>> April 2017 meeting. Furthermore, the GNSO Council has tasked the SSC
>>>>
>>>> to develop the criteria and the process for the selection of the GNSO
>>>>
>>>> Representative to the Empowered Community for GNSO Council
>>>>
>>>> consideration by its June 2017 meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your respective groups are requested to communicate their member(s) to
>>>>
>>>> the SSC to the GNSO Secretariat
>>>>
>>>> (gnso-secs at icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>)<mailto: [g <mailto: [g
>>>> <mailto: [g
>>>> <mailto: [g 
>>>> nso-secs at icann.org](mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org))><mailto:[gnso-secs at icann.org]%28mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org%29%29>
>>>> by 27 March at the
>>>>
>>>> latest. A first meeting of the SSC will be scheduled for Thursday 30
>>>>
>>>> March at 16.00 UTC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marika Konings
>>>>
>>>> Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for
>>>> Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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