[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for confirmation of members - GNSO Standing Selection Committee
Tapani Tarvainen
ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
Mon Mar 20 22:13:18 EET 2017
Hi Robin,
While I am not sure if and how that actually applies to the present
situation, I'm only too happy if I don't have to deal with this. :-)
So, at this point I'll leave it to other PC members to suggest
how to proceed.
Tapani
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:54:49PM -0700, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org) wrote:
> While I appreciate the attempt to jump into the void, under the NCSG Charter, the NCSG Chair is the *only* person specifically excluded from filling the role of the NCSG PC Chair.
>
> (See NCSG Charter 2.5.3 on NCSG PC Chair “The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role”.)
>
> So what I think this situation means, is that the PC had better figure out how it wants to handle this asap (with those in the running recused from decision). Here is a chance for us to fill a gap in our processes by either getting a vice-chair fast, or specifying some other means to make this decision. But it will be up to the PC to make that decision.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
>
> > On Mar 20, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Robin,
> >
> > Yes, Rafik is PC Chair, but he is also running for the position, and
> > he just recused himself from the process. And as you may noticed I
> > accepted his judgement on the call for volunteers.
> >
> > If we had a Vice Chair in the PC I would be only too happy to stay
> > out, but we don't. So I assume it falls on me as the general
> > all-purpose fallback executive. If the PC thinks otherwise, I will not
> > object to any consensus decision that let's me off the hook. :-)
> >
> > Tapani
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:36:06PM -0700, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>) wrote:
> >
> >> Rafik is the PC Chair. I don’t think it is appropriate to attempt to circumvent his role and judgment on this PC appointment issue.
> >>
> >> Robin
> >>
> >>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Stephanie,
> >>>
> >>> While I agree with the general point about need of more people to
> >>> share the workload, I do *not* think this is something easy and
> >>> lightweight and safe and suitable for newcomers.
> >>>
> >>> There are *a lot* of new appointments coming with lots of candidates
> >>> to assess, it would be very useful to be familiar with the types of
> >>> working groups &c to understand what kind of candidates are best.
> >>> This will be hard, ungrateful work with no perks, and I don't want to
> >>> appoint people who'll stop showing up after they realize how hard it is.
> >>>
> >>> But three PC members suggesting a wider call for volunteers is enough
> >>> to persuade me, I will send out a call for volunteers to ncsg-discuss.
> >>>
> >>> Tapani
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 02:47:20PM -0400, Stephanie Perrin (stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I think this is an excellent idea, because this is a job that people can do
> >>>> even if they have not been thoroughly immersed in the policy issues and day
> >>>> to day work of ICANN committees. We need to find a way to even out the
> >>>> workload at ICANN, and attract people to get directly involved for
> >>>> activities that are limited in scope. This is one such activity, there are
> >>>> not going to be a ton of selection processes.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for reviewing the framework for this committee (which Ed and Susan
> >>>> Kawaguchi worked on), that committee will separately have the task of
> >>>> reviewing the efficiency and fairness of the process they devised, so it is
> >>>> not really necessary for them to sit on it. I think we can safely bring in
> >>>> new people, and really if the process is a good one, new people will be in
> >>>> the best position to test that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Stephanie Perrin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2017-03-20 14:27, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I support extending the call to NCSG wider list to get more candidates
> >>>>> and see if we can get more people putting their names and volunteer. I
> >>>>> will be happy with more new folks to get involved in such process.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since 3 of current candidates are members of PC I think we should
> >>>>> recuse ourselves and not participate in the selection process for
> >>>>> appointing to SSC.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rafik
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 20, 2017 6:05 PM, "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
> >>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> An internal deadline makes sense - and I'm glad it is still a few
> >>>>> days away, as I have heard off-list from one NCUC member that they
> >>>>> are considering putting their name forward. I will communicate
> >>>>> this internal deadline to them. Might it be worth considering
> >>>>> sending a call for nominations to the general NCSG list?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also note that the three slots are allocated to the NCSG, not to
> >>>>> the NCUC or to NPOC. In the event that there are four or more
> >>>>> nominations for the three slots, who is responsible for selecting
> >>>>> our representatives, and how will the candidates be assessed?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Ayden
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for confirmation of members -
> >>>>>> GNSO Standing Selection Committee
> >>>>>> Local Time: 20 March 2017 4:22 PM
> >>>>>> UTC Time: 20 March 2017 16:22
> >>>>>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>> <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>>
> >>>>>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you Martin.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That leaves us with the confortable situation of three volunteers for
> >>>>>> three positions, if I understood correctly that Avri isn't available:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Poncelet, Ed and Rafik.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's still time though if someone else wants to volunteer or
> >>>>>> nominate someone, but not much.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Given that council's deadline is Monday, 27 March, let's make our
> >>>>>> internal deadline Thursday, 23 March, at 23:59 UTC.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That leaves us Friday and the weekend to make our decision in case
> >>>>>> more candidates show up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tapani
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 01:06:33PM -0300, Martin Pablo Silva
> >>>>>> Valent (mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>>>)
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>> I confirm that NPOCs will support Poncelet's nomination. He is
> >>>>>> been a long
> >>>>>>> time in icann and has high moral sense of integrity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>> Martin Silva
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 17 Mar 2017 08:06, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> hi all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I will be glad to volunteer for the SSC.
> >>>>>>>> I had experience in selection, reviewing applications etc with
> >>>>>>>> ICANN nomcom when I was NCUC representative there.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rafik
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2017-03-16 22:53 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen
> >>>>>> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>> <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>>>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> See below. We need to appoint three (3) members to the SSC.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Deadline is March 27 - there's not much time.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Suggestions, volunteers?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tapani
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Nathalie Peregrine <
> >>>>>>>>> nathalie.peregrine at icann.org <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>>
> >>>>>> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear All,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 15 March, the GNSO Council adopted the charter for the GNSO
> >>>>>>>>> Standing Selection Committee (SSC) – see
> >>>>>>>>> https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection- <https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection-> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection- <https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection->>
> >>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection- <https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection-> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection- <https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection->>>
> >>>>>>>>> committee-15mar17-en.pdf[gnso.icann.org <http://gnso.icann.org/> <http://gnso.icann.org/ <http://gnso.icann.org/>>
> >>>>>> <http://gnso.icann.org <http://gnso.icann.org/> <http://gnso.icann.org/ <http://gnso.icann.org/>>>]<https://urldefense <https://urldefense/> <https://urldefense/ <https://urldefense/>>.
> >>>>>>>>> proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_ <http://proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_> <http://proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_ <http://proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_>>
> >>>>>> <http://proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_ <http://proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_> <http://proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_ <http://proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_>>>
> >>>>>>>>> draft-2Dstanding-2Dselection-2Dcommittee-2D15mar17-2Den.pdf&
> >>>>>>>>> d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=
> >>>>>>>>> PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSD
> >>>>>>>>> zgqG&m=KmYsfcYHwH-JYXWIJ58L-ZnwETFBe1FrVJ8qghEsRV8&s=GmTt0n-
> >>>>>>>>> 0Bp3olHk5awt9BtmGRrEZnY7TI9fF4Fnvcy4&e=>.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The SSC is tasked, as requested by the GNSO Council, to 1),
> >>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>> applicable, prepare and issue calls for applications related
> >>>>>> to the
> >>>>>>>>> selection or nomination of candidates for ICANN structures
> >>>>>> such as
> >>>>>>>>> ICANN review teams as well as structures related to the
> >>>>>> Empowered
> >>>>>>>>> Community, 2) review and evaluate all relevant
> >>>>>> applicants/candidates,
> >>>>>>>>> 3) rank candidates and make selection/appointment
> >>>>>> recommendations for
> >>>>>>>>> review and approval by Council and 4) communicate selections
> >>>>>> to all
> >>>>>>>>> interested parties.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The membership structure of the SSC is as follows:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The SSC shall consist of a total of 9 members appointed as
> >>>>>> follows:
> >>>>>>>>> - One member appointed by each Stakeholder Group of the
> >>>>>>>>> Contracted Party House;
> >>>>>>>>> - One member appointed respectively from each of the Business
> >>>>>>>>> Constituency, the Intellectual Property Constituency, and
> >>>>>> the Internet
> >>>>>>>>> Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency;
> >>>>>>>>> - Three members appointed by the Non-Commercial Stakeholder
> >>>>>>>>> Group; and,
> >>>>>>>>> - One member from one of the three Nominating-Committee
> >>>>>>>>> appointees to the GNSO Council.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The GNSO Council has tasked the SSC to carry out the review and
> >>>>>>>>> selection of GNSO endorsed candidates for the Registration
> >>>>>> Directory
> >>>>>>>>> Service Review Team for Council consideration at the latest
> >>>>>> by its 20
> >>>>>>>>> April 2017 meeting. Furthermore, the GNSO Council has tasked
> >>>>>> the SSC
> >>>>>>>>> to develop the criteria and the process for the selection of
> >>>>>> the GNSO
> >>>>>>>>> Representative to the Empowered Community for GNSO Council
> >>>>>>>>> consideration by its June 2017 meeting.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Your respective groups are requested to communicate their
> >>>>>> member(s) to
> >>>>>>>>> the SSC to the GNSO Secretariat
> >>>>>>>>> (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
> >>>>>> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>>)<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
> >>>>>> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>>)> by 27 March at the
> >>>>>>>>> latest. A first meeting of the SSC will be scheduled for
> >>>>>> Thursday 30
> >>>>>>>>> March at 16.00 UTC.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Marika Konings
> >>>>>>>>> Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet
> >>>>>> Corporation
> >>>>>>>>> for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
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