[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process

Edward Morris egmorris1 at toast.net
Tue Feb 28 08:48:38 EET 2017


Me too.

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> On 28 Feb 2017, at 06:45, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> 
> Sounds good to me.
> 
> Tapani
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 03:09:06PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> we can suggest nomination period between Wednesday 1st March and Friday
>> 10th March, assuming that all candidates will be in Copenhagen.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik
>> 
>> 2017-02-27 23:27 GMT+09:00 Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>:
>> 
>>> In terms of timeline, I'd suggest we try to get nominations in before
>>> Copenhagen and perhaps use ICANN 58 as a time to get to know the candidates
>>> better, perhaps invite them to our PC or regular SG meeting etc. Let's use
>>> the less than perfect timing to our advantage!
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent*: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:06 PM
>>> *To*: "avri at acm.org" <avri at acm.org>
>>> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
>>> Selection Process
>>> 
>>> Hi Avri,
>>> 
>>> thanks for the suggestion,
>>> 
>>> so we have now:
>>> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
>>> - we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in parallel
>>> starting (Wednesday?)
>>> 
>>> Our counter-proposal is:
>>> 
>>>  * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>  * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>>  * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>  * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two
>>>  * a joint interview of the top 2 before second round with the whole
>>> house.
>>>  * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>>    against NOTA
>>>  * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
>>>    our act together.
>>>  *  then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until we
>>>    get our act together.
>>> 
>>> we need to agree quickly on procedure for NCSG and document that.
>>> can we get consensus this by Tuesday 12:00pm UTC and respond ot CSG?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> 2017-02-24
>>> 21:42 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at acm.org>:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> some minor typo corrections
>>>> 
>>>> Our counter-proposal is:
>>>> 
>>>>  * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>>  * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>>>  * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>>  * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top
>>>> two
>>> 
>>>  * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>>>    against NOTA
>>>>  * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
>>>>    our act together.
>>>>  *  then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until we
>>>>    get our act together.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess we say:
>>>>> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
>>>>> - However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
>>>>> parallel starting next week Monday
>>>>> - Our counter-proposal is:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>>>  * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>>>>  * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>>>  * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>>>>  * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against
>>>>>    NOTA
>>>>>  * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we
>>>>>    get our act together.
>>>>>  *  then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until we
>>>>>    get our act together.
>>>>> 
>>>>> if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response with CSG.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>>    I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal
>>>>> 
>>>>>    - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>>> 
>>>>>    - we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
>>>>>    succeed.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>>>> 
>>>>>    - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>>>>    against NOTA
>>>>> 
>>>>>    - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until we get
>>>> our
>>>>>    act together.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until
>>>>>    we get
>>>>>    our act together.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    avri
>>>>> 
>>>>>>    On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are
>>>> considering/or
>>>>>> not their doc and will be proposing something or an alternative
>>>>>> version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end of next
>>>>>    week?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
>>>>>    week?  or
>>>>>> two weeks from Monday?   Probably would be useful to have the
>>>>>    CSG and
>>>>>> NCSG nomination periods run in parallel.  Agree with CSG whether
>>>>>> should be nomination and/or self nomination.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In the interim start work on the process?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG
>>>>>    quickly. at
>>>>>>> least covering the topic of nomination.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>    <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Hi Matt,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    thanks for the response, looking for other comments on this
>>>>>    topic.
>>>>>>>    I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the
>>>>>    process
>>>>>>>    and adjust the whole timeline.
>>>>>>>    how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2 candidates
>>>> for
>>>>>>>    now. shall we initiate a process to find other candidates? we
>>>>>>>    don't have so much time for a long nomination period.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    I understand that we are having the deadline as a mean to
>>>> press
>>>>>>>    us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects which
>>>> are
>>>>>>>    non-negotiable with regard to the process.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Best,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Rafik
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org
>>>>>    <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
>>>>>>>    <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        Thanks Rafik
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal
>>>>>    with it
>>>>>>>        and we are running out of time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        First we had the timeline from Greg before the meeting,
>>>>>    which
>>>>>>>        was not really discussed further.  Then we had some
>>>> general
>>>>>>>        discussion about the need to do something on the Board
>>>>>>>        selection process.  People voiced their views on
>>>> different
>>>>>>>        aspects of the process and there was concern over the
>>>>>>>        timeline, but we did not really decide anything (others
>>>>>>>        please jump in as I may have missed some important
>>>>>>>        aspects).   Markus announced he wanted to continue in the
>>>>>>>        role; I announced I was going to run.  Then the CSG
>>>>>    proposal
>>>>>>>        for a process was circulated on Thurs AM.  There seemed
>>>>>    to be
>>>>>>>        general agreement that the CSG proposal was not ideal.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
>>>>>    process and
>>>>>>>        timeline for nominations and getting that announced, so
>>>> at
>>>>>>>        least the initial stages of the process are underway.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>        Matthew
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>>        Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        We got this note from Greg to resume the discussion on
>>>>>    board
>>>>>>>>        seat election.
>>>>>>>>        First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what
>>>>>    or not
>>>>>>>>        agreed on iceland on that regard from those who attended
>>>>>>>>        intersessional?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        We also need to outline what are our non-negotiable
>>>> points
>>>>>>>>        such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far
>>>>>    from our
>>>>>>>>        expectations.
>>>>>>>>        There is also proposal to have a call. We can have it
>>>>>    by end
>>>>>>>>        of this week but we do need to be ready.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>        From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>        <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>        Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
>>>>>>>>        Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
>>>>>    Selection Process
>>>>>>>>        To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>>    <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>        <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>>    <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>>        Cc:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            We probably need a different mailing list to finish
>>>>>>>>            working on the Board Seat selection process, and a
>>>>>    small
>>>>>>>>            group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think
>>>>>    this
>>>>>>>>            is the only active mailing list with both sides of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>            NCPH on it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            We basically have no time to work this out, and
>>>> we've
>>>>>>>>            already started the process without knowing what it
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>            exactly, since we have now received nominations.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            In addition to the adaptation of the CPH procedures
>>>>>>>>            previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
>>>>>    following
>>>>>>>>            for consideration:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            1.  Some bullet-points from an exchange between
>>>>>    CSG and
>>>>>>>>            NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
>>>>>    process.
>>>>>>>>            2.  The latest version of the ICANN Staff Memo with
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>            revised draft timeline and some relevant excerpts
>>>> from
>>>>>>>>            Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
>>>>>>>>            3.  A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section
>>>>>>>>            11.3(f), which covers the selection process for
>>>> Seats
>>>>>>>>            13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
>>>>>    Bylaws), and
>>>>>>>>            Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
>>>>>    11.3(f).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            A few thoughts and comments:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            A.  We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both develop and go
>>>>>>>>            through a process that is contemplated to take 21
>>>>>    weeks
>>>>>>>>            (just to go through).  Talk about building the
>>>>>    airplane
>>>>>>>>            in the air.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            B.  At the Intersessional, we discussed possible
>>>>>>>>            adjustments to the timeline, but did not come to any
>>>>>>>>            decisions.  It's not clear to me whether Staff is
>>>>>>>>            preparing a further revised draft.  I'll ask.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            C.  If any of our groups have not already done so,
>>>> we
>>>>>>>>            should put out a call for any other nominations ASAP
>>>>>>>>            (though it would be nice to know the end of the
>>>>>>>>            nomination period).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            D.  Without making any judgments, the CPH process
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>            the NCPH bullet-points are significantly different
>>>>>    when
>>>>>>>>            it comes to voting.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            E.  We should figure out how to get this process
>>>>>    agreed
>>>>>>>>            as quickly as possible.  Given the unusual
>>>>>>>>            circumstances, we don't need to use this process as
>>>>>>>>            precedent for any future process.  We just need to
>>>> get
>>>>>>>>            through this selection.  One approach is for NCSG to
>>>>>>>>            respond to the draft sent at the end of the
>>>>>>>>            Intersessional.  However, given the gap between
>>>>>    that and
>>>>>>>>            the bullet-points, it might just be better to
>>>>>    arrange a
>>>>>>>>            call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
>>>>>    forward.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            Thanks for reading,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            Greg
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            P.S.  It's not all that important how we got here,
>>>> but
>>>>>>>>            nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
>>>>>    Procedures
>>>>>>>>            were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws
>>>> deadline
>>>>>>>>            for naming the Director was changed from one month
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>            two months (briefly) and then six months prior to
>>>>>    being
>>>>>>>>            seated.  (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
>>>>>    updated in
>>>>>>>>            any event, since the Bylaws references are now
>>>>>>>>            obsolete.))  The draft bullet-points repeated this
>>>>>    error.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            B.  Since we are doing this with very little time
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>>>            *C: 917-816-6428
>>>>>>>>            S: gsshatan
>>>>>>>>            Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>>>>>>            gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>            From: *Greg Shatan* <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>            <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>            Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
>>>>>>>>            Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
>>>>>    Selection Process
>>>>>>>>            To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>>    <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>            <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>>    <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a proposed
>>>>>>>>            interim Board Selection Process based closely on the
>>>>>>>>            Final Process adopted by the Contracted Parties
>>>> House.
>>>>>>>>            Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing
>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>            from the CPH document.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            A Google Docs version can be found here, where any
>>>>>>>>            suggested changes can be added in "suggest" mode
>>>> (but
>>>>>>>>            everyone has "edit"
>>>>>>>>            rights):
>>>>>    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGu
>>>> m4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHG
>>>> um4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGu
>>>> m4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHG
>>>> um4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            We would hope to use this for the current 2017 Board
>>>>>>>>            Seat process and then revisit afterward before
>>>>>    making it
>>>>>>>>            a permanent rather than "interim" process.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            This has not been reviewed by the membership of
>>>>>    the IPC,
>>>>>>>>            BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the discussion
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>            this basis, given the short amount of time we have
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>            this year.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            We look forward to your thoughts.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            Thanks!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional
>>>> Teams)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>            *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>>>            *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
>>>>>>>>            S: gsshatan
>>>>>>>>            Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>>>    <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
>>>>>>>>            gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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