[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process
Edward Morris
egmorris1 at toast.net
Tue Feb 28 08:48:38 EET 2017
Me too.
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> On 28 Feb 2017, at 06:45, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Tapani
>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 03:09:06PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we can suggest nomination period between Wednesday 1st March and Friday
>> 10th March, assuming that all candidates will be in Copenhagen.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-02-27 23:27 GMT+09:00 Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>:
>>
>>> In terms of timeline, I'd suggest we try to get nominations in before
>>> Copenhagen and perhaps use ICANN 58 as a time to get to know the candidates
>>> better, perhaps invite them to our PC or regular SG meeting etc. Let's use
>>> the less than perfect timing to our advantage!
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent*: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:06 PM
>>> *To*: "avri at acm.org" <avri at acm.org>
>>> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
>>> Selection Process
>>>
>>> Hi Avri,
>>>
>>> thanks for the suggestion,
>>>
>>> so we have now:
>>> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
>>> - we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in parallel
>>> starting (Wednesday?)
>>>
>>> Our counter-proposal is:
>>>
>>> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>> * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two
>>> * a joint interview of the top 2 before second round with the whole
>>> house.
>>> * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>> against NOTA
>>> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
>>> our act together.
>>> * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
>>> get our act together.
>>>
>>> we need to agree quickly on procedure for NCSG and document that.
>>> can we get consensus this by Tuesday 12:00pm UTC and respond ot CSG?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>> 2017-02-24
>>> 21:42 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at acm.org>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> some minor typo corrections
>>>>
>>>> Our counter-proposal is:
>>>>
>>>> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>>> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>> * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top
>>>> two
>>>
>>> * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>>> against NOTA
>>>> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
>>>> our act together.
>>>> * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
>>>> get our act together.
>>>>
>>>>> On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess we say:
>>>>> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
>>>>> - However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
>>>>> parallel starting next week Monday
>>>>> - Our counter-proposal is:
>>>>>
>>>>> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>>> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>>>> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>>> * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>>>> * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against
>>>>> NOTA
>>>>> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we
>>>>> get our act together.
>>>>> * then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
>>>>> get our act together.
>>>>>
>>>>> if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response with CSG.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>>>
>>>>> - we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
>>>>> succeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>>>>
>>>>> - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>>>> against NOTA
>>>>>
>>>>> - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until we get
>>>> our
>>>>> act together.
>>>>>
>>>>> - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until
>>>>> we get
>>>>> our act together.
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are
>>>> considering/or
>>>>>> not their doc and will be proposing something or an alternative
>>>>>> version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end of next
>>>>> week?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
>>>>> week? or
>>>>>> two weeks from Monday? Probably would be useful to have the
>>>>> CSG and
>>>>>> NCSG nomination periods run in parallel. Agree with CSG whether
>>>>>> should be nomination and/or self nomination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the interim start work on the process?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG
>>>>> quickly. at
>>>>>>> least covering the topic of nomination.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks for the response, looking for other comments on this
>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>> I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the
>>>>> process
>>>>>>> and adjust the whole timeline.
>>>>>>> how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2 candidates
>>>> for
>>>>>>> now. shall we initiate a process to find other candidates? we
>>>>>>> don't have so much time for a long nomination period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand that we are having the deadline as a mean to
>>>> press
>>>>>>> us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects which
>>>> are
>>>>>>> non-negotiable with regard to the process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org
>>>>> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal
>>>>> with it
>>>>>>> and we are running out of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First we had the timeline from Greg before the meeting,
>>>>> which
>>>>>>> was not really discussed further. Then we had some
>>>> general
>>>>>>> discussion about the need to do something on the Board
>>>>>>> selection process. People voiced their views on
>>>> different
>>>>>>> aspects of the process and there was concern over the
>>>>>>> timeline, but we did not really decide anything (others
>>>>>>> please jump in as I may have missed some important
>>>>>>> aspects). Markus announced he wanted to continue in the
>>>>>>> role; I announced I was going to run. Then the CSG
>>>>> proposal
>>>>>>> for a process was circulated on Thurs AM. There seemed
>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> general agreement that the CSG proposal was not ideal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
>>>>> process and
>>>>>>> timeline for nominations and getting that announced, so
>>>> at
>>>>>>> least the initial stages of the process are underway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We got this note from Greg to resume the discussion on
>>>>> board
>>>>>>>> seat election.
>>>>>>>> First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what
>>>>> or not
>>>>>>>> agreed on iceland on that regard from those who attended
>>>>>>>> intersessional?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We also need to outline what are our non-negotiable
>>>> points
>>>>>>>> such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far
>>>>> from our
>>>>>>>> expectations.
>>>>>>>> There is also proposal to have a call. We can have it
>>>>> by end
>>>>>>>> of this week but we do need to be ready.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
>>>>> Selection Process
>>>>>>>> To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We probably need a different mailing list to finish
>>>>>>>> working on the Board Seat selection process, and a
>>>>> small
>>>>>>>> group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is the only active mailing list with both sides of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> NCPH on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We basically have no time to work this out, and
>>>> we've
>>>>>>>> already started the process without knowing what it
>>>> is
>>>>>>>> exactly, since we have now received nominations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In addition to the adaptation of the CPH procedures
>>>>>>>> previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
>>>>> following
>>>>>>>> for consideration:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Some bullet-points from an exchange between
>>>>> CSG and
>>>>>>>> NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>> 2. The latest version of the ICANN Staff Memo with
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> revised draft timeline and some relevant excerpts
>>>> from
>>>>>>>> Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
>>>>>>>> 3. A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section
>>>>>>>> 11.3(f), which covers the selection process for
>>>> Seats
>>>>>>>> 13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
>>>>> Bylaws), and
>>>>>>>> Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
>>>>> 11.3(f).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few thoughts and comments:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A. We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both develop and go
>>>>>>>> through a process that is contemplated to take 21
>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>>> (just to go through). Talk about building the
>>>>> airplane
>>>>>>>> in the air.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B. At the Intersessional, we discussed possible
>>>>>>>> adjustments to the timeline, but did not come to any
>>>>>>>> decisions. It's not clear to me whether Staff is
>>>>>>>> preparing a further revised draft. I'll ask.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C. If any of our groups have not already done so,
>>>> we
>>>>>>>> should put out a call for any other nominations ASAP
>>>>>>>> (though it would be nice to know the end of the
>>>>>>>> nomination period).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D. Without making any judgments, the CPH process
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the NCPH bullet-points are significantly different
>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> it comes to voting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> E. We should figure out how to get this process
>>>>> agreed
>>>>>>>> as quickly as possible. Given the unusual
>>>>>>>> circumstances, we don't need to use this process as
>>>>>>>> precedent for any future process. We just need to
>>>> get
>>>>>>>> through this selection. One approach is for NCSG to
>>>>>>>> respond to the draft sent at the end of the
>>>>>>>> Intersessional. However, given the gap between
>>>>> that and
>>>>>>>> the bullet-points, it might just be better to
>>>>> arrange a
>>>>>>>> call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. It's not all that important how we got here,
>>>> but
>>>>>>>> nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
>>>>> Procedures
>>>>>>>> were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws
>>>> deadline
>>>>>>>> for naming the Director was changed from one month
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> two months (briefly) and then six months prior to
>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> seated. (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
>>>>> updated in
>>>>>>>> any event, since the Bylaws references are now
>>>>>>>> obsolete.)) The draft bullet-points repeated this
>>>>> error.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B. Since we are doing this with very little time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>>> *C: 917-816-6428
>>>>>>>> S: gsshatan
>>>>>>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>>>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: *Greg Shatan* <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
>>>>> Selection Process
>>>>>>>> To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a proposed
>>>>>>>> interim Board Selection Process based closely on the
>>>>>>>> Final Process adopted by the Contracted Parties
>>>> House.
>>>>>>>> Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing
>>>> changes
>>>>>>>> from the CPH document.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Google Docs version can be found here, where any
>>>>>>>> suggested changes can be added in "suggest" mode
>>>> (but
>>>>>>>> everyone has "edit"
>>>>>>>> rights):
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGu
>>>> m4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHG
>>>> um4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGu
>>>> m4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHG
>>>> um4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We would hope to use this for the current 2017 Board
>>>>>>>> Seat process and then revisit afterward before
>>>>> making it
>>>>>>>> a permanent rather than "interim" process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This has not been reviewed by the membership of
>>>>> the IPC,
>>>>>>>> BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the discussion
>>>> on
>>>>>>>> this basis, given the short amount of time we have
>>>> for
>>>>>>>> this year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We look forward to your thoughts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional
>>>> Teams)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>>> *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
>>>>>>>> S: gsshatan
>>>>>>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>>> <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
>>>>>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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