[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process
Tapani Tarvainen
ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
Tue Feb 28 08:45:07 EET 2017
Sounds good to me.
Tapani
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 03:09:06PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> we can suggest nomination period between Wednesday 1st March and Friday
> 10th March, assuming that all candidates will be in Copenhagen.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-02-27 23:27 GMT+09:00 Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>:
>
> > In terms of timeline, I'd suggest we try to get nominations in before
> > Copenhagen and perhaps use ICANN 58 as a time to get to know the candidates
> > better, perhaps invite them to our PC or regular SG meeting etc. Let's use
> > the less than perfect timing to our advantage!
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> > *Sent*: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:06 PM
> > *To*: "avri at acm.org" <avri at acm.org>
> > *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> > *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
> > Selection Process
> >
> > Hi Avri,
> >
> > thanks for the suggestion,
> >
> > so we have now:
> > - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
> > - we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in parallel
> > starting (Wednesday?)
> >
> > Our counter-proposal is:
> >
> > * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> > * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
> > * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> > * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two
> > * a joint interview of the top 2 before second round with the whole
> > house.
> > * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
> > against NOTA
> > * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
> > our act together.
> > * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
> > get our act together.
> >
> > we need to agree quickly on procedure for NCSG and document that.
> > can we get consensus this by Tuesday 12:00pm UTC and respond ot CSG?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rafik
> > 2017-02-24
> > 21:42 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at acm.org>:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> some minor typo corrections
> >>
> >> Our counter-proposal is:
> >>
> >> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> >> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
> >> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> >> * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top
> >> two
> >
> > * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
> >> against NOTA
> >> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
> >> our act together.
> >> * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
> >> get our act together.
> >>
> >> On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
> >> >
> >> > I guess we say:
> >> > - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
> >> > - However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
> >> > parallel starting next week Monday
> >> > - Our counter-proposal is:
> >> >
> >> > * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> >> > * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
> >> > * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> >> > * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
> >> > * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against
> >> > NOTA
> >> > * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we
> >> > get our act together.
> >> > * then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
> >> > get our act together.
> >> >
> >> > if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response with CSG.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> > Rafik
> >> >
> >> > 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal
> >> >
> >> > - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> >> >
> >> > - we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
> >> > succeed.
> >> >
> >> > - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> >> >
> >> > - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
> >> >
> >> > - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
> >> > against NOTA
> >> >
> >> > - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until we get
> >> our
> >> > act together.
> >> >
> >> > - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until
> >> > we get
> >> > our act together.
> >> >
> >> > avri
> >> >
> >> > On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are
> >> considering/or
> >> > > not their doc and will be proposing something or an alternative
> >> > > version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end of next
> >> > week?
> >> > >
> >> > > And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
> >> > week? or
> >> > > two weeks from Monday? Probably would be useful to have the
> >> > CSG and
> >> > > NCSG nomination periods run in parallel. Agree with CSG whether
> >> > > should be nomination and/or self nomination.
> >> > >
> >> > > In the interim start work on the process?
> >> > >
> >> > > Matthew
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >> > >> Hi all,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG
> >> > quickly. at
> >> > >> least covering the topic of nomination.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Rafik
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >> > <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >> > >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >> >>>:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi Matt,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> thanks for the response, looking for other comments on this
> >> > topic.
> >> > >> I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the
> >> > process
> >> > >> and adjust the whole timeline.
> >> > >> how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2 candidates
> >> for
> >> > >> now. shall we initiate a process to find other candidates? we
> >> > >> don't have so much time for a long nomination period.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I understand that we are having the deadline as a mean to
> >> press
> >> > >> us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects which
> >> are
> >> > >> non-negotiable with regard to the process.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Rafik
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org
> >> > <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
> >> > >> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks Rafik
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal
> >> > with it
> >> > >> and we are running out of time.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> First we had the timeline from Greg before the meeting,
> >> > which
> >> > >> was not really discussed further. Then we had some
> >> general
> >> > >> discussion about the need to do something on the Board
> >> > >> selection process. People voiced their views on
> >> different
> >> > >> aspects of the process and there was concern over the
> >> > >> timeline, but we did not really decide anything (others
> >> > >> please jump in as I may have missed some important
> >> > >> aspects). Markus announced he wanted to continue in the
> >> > >> role; I announced I was going to run. Then the CSG
> >> > proposal
> >> > >> for a process was circulated on Thurs AM. There seemed
> >> > to be
> >> > >> general agreement that the CSG proposal was not ideal.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
> >> > process and
> >> > >> timeline for nominations and getting that announced, so
> >> at
> >> > >> least the initial stages of the process are underway.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Matthew
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >> > >>> Hi everyone,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> We got this note from Greg to resume the discussion on
> >> > board
> >> > >>> seat election.
> >> > >>> First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what
> >> > or not
> >> > >>> agreed on iceland on that regard from those who attended
> >> > >>> intersessional?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> We also need to outline what are our non-negotiable
> >> points
> >> > >>> such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far
> >> > from our
> >> > >>> expectations.
> >> > >>> There is also proposal to have a call. We can have it
> >> > by end
> >> > >>> of this week but we do need to be ready.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Best,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Rafik
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > >>> From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> >> > >>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:
> >> gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> >> > >>> Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
> >> > >>> Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
> >> > Selection Process
> >> > >>> To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> >> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> >> > >>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> >> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
> >> > >>> Cc:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> All,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> We probably need a different mailing list to finish
> >> > >>> working on the Board Seat selection process, and a
> >> > small
> >> > >>> group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think
> >> > this
> >> > >>> is the only active mailing list with both sides of
> >> the
> >> > >>> NCPH on it.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> We basically have no time to work this out, and
> >> we've
> >> > >>> already started the process without knowing what it
> >> is
> >> > >>> exactly, since we have now received nominations.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> In addition to the adaptation of the CPH procedures
> >> > >>> previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
> >> > following
> >> > >>> for consideration:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> 1. Some bullet-points from an exchange between
> >> > CSG and
> >> > >>> NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
> >> > process.
> >> > >>> 2. The latest version of the ICANN Staff Memo with
> >> a
> >> > >>> revised draft timeline and some relevant excerpts
> >> from
> >> > >>> Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
> >> > >>> 3. A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section
> >> > >>> 11.3(f), which covers the selection process for
> >> Seats
> >> > >>> 13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
> >> > Bylaws), and
> >> > >>> Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
> >> > 11.3(f).
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> A few thoughts and comments:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> A. We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both develop and go
> >> > >>> through a process that is contemplated to take 21
> >> > weeks
> >> > >>> (just to go through). Talk about building the
> >> > airplane
> >> > >>> in the air.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> B. At the Intersessional, we discussed possible
> >> > >>> adjustments to the timeline, but did not come to any
> >> > >>> decisions. It's not clear to me whether Staff is
> >> > >>> preparing a further revised draft. I'll ask.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> C. If any of our groups have not already done so,
> >> we
> >> > >>> should put out a call for any other nominations ASAP
> >> > >>> (though it would be nice to know the end of the
> >> > >>> nomination period).
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> D. Without making any judgments, the CPH process
> >> and
> >> > >>> the NCPH bullet-points are significantly different
> >> > when
> >> > >>> it comes to voting.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> E. We should figure out how to get this process
> >> > agreed
> >> > >>> as quickly as possible. Given the unusual
> >> > >>> circumstances, we don't need to use this process as
> >> > >>> precedent for any future process. We just need to
> >> get
> >> > >>> through this selection. One approach is for NCSG to
> >> > >>> respond to the draft sent at the end of the
> >> > >>> Intersessional. However, given the gap between
> >> > that and
> >> > >>> the bullet-points, it might just be better to
> >> > arrange a
> >> > >>> call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
> >> > forward.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Thanks for reading,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Greg
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> P.S. It's not all that important how we got here,
> >> but
> >> > >>> nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
> >> > Procedures
> >> > >>> were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws
> >> deadline
> >> > >>> for naming the Director was changed from one month
> >> to
> >> > >>> two months (briefly) and then six months prior to
> >> > being
> >> > >>> seated. (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
> >> > updated in
> >> > >>> any event, since the Bylaws references are now
> >> > >>> obsolete.)) The draft bullet-points repeated this
> >> > error.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> B. Since we are doing this with very little time
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> *Greg Shatan
> >> > >>> *C: 917-816-6428
> >> > >>> S: gsshatan
> >> > >>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
> >> > >>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > >>> From: *Greg Shatan* <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> >> > >>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> >> > >>> Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
> >> > >>> Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
> >> > Selection Process
> >> > >>> To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> >> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> >> > >>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> >> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a proposed
> >> > >>> interim Board Selection Process based closely on the
> >> > >>> Final Process adopted by the Contracted Parties
> >> House.
> >> > >>> Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing
> >> changes
> >> > >>> from the CPH document.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> A Google Docs version can be found here, where any
> >> > >>> suggested changes can be added in "suggest" mode
> >> (but
> >> > >>> everyone has "edit"
> >> > >>> rights):
> >> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGu
> >> m4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> >> > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHG
> >> um4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
> >> > >>>
> >> > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGu
> >> m4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> >> > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHG
> >> um4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> We would hope to use this for the current 2017 Board
> >> > >>> Seat process and then revisit afterward before
> >> > making it
> >> > >>> a permanent rather than "interim" process.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> This has not been reviewed by the membership of
> >> > the IPC,
> >> > >>> BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the discussion
> >> on
> >> > >>> this basis, given the short amount of time we have
> >> for
> >> > >>> this year.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> We look forward to your thoughts.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Thanks!
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional
> >> Teams)
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> *Greg Shatan
> >> > >>> *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
> >> > >>> S: gsshatan
> >> > >>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
> >> > <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
> >> > >>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> >> > >>> <mailto:Ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
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> >> > >>>
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