[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process
matthew shears
mshears at cdt.org
Mon Feb 27 16:17:13 EET 2017
I think this looks OK.
On 27/02/2017 14:05, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Avri,
>
> thanks for the suggestion,
>
> so we have now:
> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
> - we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in parallel
> starting (Wednesday?)
>
> Our counter-proposal is:
>
> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two
> * a joint interview of the top 2 before second round with the whole house.
> * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
> against NOTA
> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
> our act together.
> * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
> get our act together.
>
> we need to agree quickly on procedure for NCSG and document that.
> can we get consensus this by Tuesday 12:00pm UTC and respond ot CSG?
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> 2017-02-24
> 21:42 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>>:
>
>
>
> some minor typo corrections
>
> Our counter-proposal is:
>
> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between
> top two
>
> * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
> against NOTA
> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until
> we get
> our act together.
> * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
> get our act together.
>
> On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
> >
> > I guess we say:
> > - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
> > - However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
> > parallel starting next week Monday
> > - Our counter-proposal is:
> >
> > * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> > * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
> > * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> > * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
> > * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
> against
> > NOTA
> > * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we
> > get our act together.
> > * then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk
> until we
> > get our act together.
> >
> > if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response
> with CSG.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rafik
> >
> > 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org
> <mailto:avri at apc.org> <mailto:avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal
> >
> > - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
> >
> > - we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
> > succeed.
> >
> > - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
> >
> > - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between
> top two
> >
> > - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
> > against NOTA
> >
> > - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until
> we get our
> > act together.
> >
> > - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until
> > we get
> > our act together.
> >
> > avri
> >
> > On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are
> considering/or
> > > not their doc and will be proposing something or an
> alternative
> > > version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end
> of next
> > week?
> > >
> > > And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
> > week? or
> > > two weeks from Monday? Probably would be useful to have the
> > CSG and
> > > NCSG nomination periods run in parallel. Agree with CSG
> whether
> > > should be nomination and/or self nomination.
> > >
> > > In the interim start work on the process?
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG
> > quickly. at
> > >> least covering the topic of nomination.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Rafik
> > >>
> > >> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> > >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>>:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Matt,
> > >>
> > >> thanks for the response, looking for other comments
> on this
> > topic.
> > >> I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the
> > process
> > >> and adjust the whole timeline.
> > >> how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2
> candidates for
> > >> now. shall we initiate a process to find other
> candidates? we
> > >> don't have so much time for a long nomination period.
> > >>
> > >> I understand that we are having the deadline as a
> mean to press
> > >> us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects
> which are
> > >> non-negotiable with regard to the process.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Rafik
> > >>
> > >> 2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears
> <mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
> > <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>
> > >> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>>:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Rafik
> > >>
> > >> Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal
> > with it
> > >> and we are running out of time.
> > >>
> > >> First we had the timeline from Greg before the
> meeting,
> > which
> > >> was not really discussed further. Then we had
> some general
> > >> discussion about the need to do something on the
> Board
> > >> selection process. People voiced their views on
> different
> > >> aspects of the process and there was concern over the
> > >> timeline, but we did not really decide anything
> (others
> > >> please jump in as I may have missed some important
> > >> aspects). Markus announced he wanted to
> continue in the
> > >> role; I announced I was going to run. Then the CSG
> > proposal
> > >> for a process was circulated on Thurs AM. There
> seemed
> > to be
> > >> general agreement that the CSG proposal was not
> ideal.
> > >>
> > >> I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
> > process and
> > >> timeline for nominations and getting that
> announced, so at
> > >> least the initial stages of the process are underway.
> > >>
> > >> Matthew
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > >>> Hi everyone,
> > >>>
> > >>> We got this note from Greg to resume the
> discussion on
> > board
> > >>> seat election.
> > >>> First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what
> > or not
> > >>> agreed on iceland on that regard from those who
> attended
> > >>> intersessional?
> > >>>
> > >>> We also need to outline what are our
> non-negotiable points
> > >>> such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far
> > from our
> > >>> expectations.
> > >>> There is also proposal to have a call. We can
> have it
> > by end
> > >>> of this week but we do need to be ready.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rafik
> > >>>
> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >>> From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> > >>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>>
> > >>> Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
> > >>> Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
> > Selection Process
> > >>> To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
> > >>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>>
> > >>> Cc:
> > >>>
> > >>> All,
> > >>>
> > >>> We probably need a different mailing list to
> finish
> > >>> working on the Board Seat selection process,
> and a
> > small
> > >>> group to do it, but I'll start here, since I
> think
> > this
> > >>> is the only active mailing list with both
> sides of the
> > >>> NCPH on it.
> > >>>
> > >>> We basically have no time to work this out,
> and we've
> > >>> already started the process without knowing
> what it is
> > >>> exactly, since we have now received nominations.
> > >>>
> > >>> In addition to the adaptation of the CPH
> procedures
> > >>> previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
> > following
> > >>> for consideration:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Some bullet-points from an exchange between
> > CSG and
> > >>> NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
> > process.
> > >>> 2. The latest version of the ICANN Staff
> Memo with a
> > >>> revised draft timeline and some relevant
> excerpts from
> > >>> Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
> > >>> 3. A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with
> Section
> > >>> 11.3(f), which covers the selection process
> for Seats
> > >>> 13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
> > Bylaws), and
> > >>> Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
> > 11.3(f).
> > >>>
> > >>> A few thoughts and comments:
> > >>>
> > >>> A. We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both
> develop and go
> > >>> through a process that is contemplated to
> take 21
> > weeks
> > >>> (just to go through). Talk about building the
> > airplane
> > >>> in the air.
> > >>>
> > >>> B. At the Intersessional, we discussed possible
> > >>> adjustments to the timeline, but did not
> come to any
> > >>> decisions. It's not clear to me whether
> Staff is
> > >>> preparing a further revised draft. I'll ask.
> > >>>
> > >>> C. If any of our groups have not already
> done so, we
> > >>> should put out a call for any other
> nominations ASAP
> > >>> (though it would be nice to know the end of the
> > >>> nomination period).
> > >>>
> > >>> D. Without making any judgments, the CPH
> process and
> > >>> the NCPH bullet-points are significantly
> different
> > when
> > >>> it comes to voting.
> > >>>
> > >>> E. We should figure out how to get this process
> > agreed
> > >>> as quickly as possible. Given the unusual
> > >>> circumstances, we don't need to use this
> process as
> > >>> precedent for any future process. We just
> need to get
> > >>> through this selection. One approach is for
> NCSG to
> > >>> respond to the draft sent at the end of the
> > >>> Intersessional. However, given the gap between
> > that and
> > >>> the bullet-points, it might just be better to
> > arrange a
> > >>> call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
> > forward.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for reading,
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg
> > >>>
> > >>> P.S. It's not all that important how we got
> here, but
> > >>> nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
> > Procedures
> > >>> were never updated from 2012, when the
> Bylaws deadline
> > >>> for naming the Director was changed from one
> month to
> > >>> two months (briefly) and then six months
> prior to
> > being
> > >>> seated. (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
> > updated in
> > >>> any event, since the Bylaws references are now
> > >>> obsolete.)) The draft bullet-points
> repeated this
> > error.
> > >>>
> > >>> B. Since we are doing this with very little
> time
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *Greg Shatan
> > >>> *C: 917-816-6428
> > >>> S: gsshatan
> > >>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
> > >>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >>> From: *Greg Shatan* <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> > >>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>>
> > >>> Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
> > >>> Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
> > Selection Process
> > >>> To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
> > >>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
> > <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
> > >>>
> > >>> The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a
> proposed
> > >>> interim Board Selection Process based
> closely on the
> > >>> Final Process adopted by the Contracted
> Parties House.
> > >>> Clean and marked drafts are attached,
> showing changes
> > >>> from the CPH document.
> > >>>
> > >>> A Google Docs version can be found here,
> where any
> > >>> suggested changes can be added in "suggest"
> mode (but
> > >>> everyone has "edit"
> > >>> rights):
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
> >
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
> > >>>
> >
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
> >
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> We would hope to use this for the current
> 2017 Board
> > >>> Seat process and then revisit afterward before
> > making it
> > >>> a permanent rather than "interim" process.
> > >>>
> > >>> This has not been reviewed by the membership of
> > the IPC,
> > >>> BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the
> discussion on
> > >>> this basis, given the short amount of time
> we have for
> > >>> this year.
> > >>>
> > >>> We look forward to your thoughts.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks!
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP
> Intersessional Teams)
> > >>>
> > >>> *Greg Shatan
> > >>> *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
> > >>> S: gsshatan
> > >>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
> > <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
> > >>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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