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<p>I think this looks OK.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/02/2017 14:05, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi Avri,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">thanks for the suggestion,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">so we have now:</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">- we cannot accept CSG proposal.<br>
- we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
parallel starting (Wednesday?)<br>
<br>
Our counter-proposal is:<br>
<br>
* NCA is not to removed from any part of the process<br>
* there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
succeed.<br>
* as many nominees as come forward in a week.<br>
* 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round
between top two</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <font
color="#ff0000"> * a joint interview of the top 2 </font></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#ff0000">before second
round with the whole house.</font></span><br>
* 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of
leader<br>
against NOTA<br>
* 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open
until we get<br>
our act together.<br>
* then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk
until we<br>
get our act together.<br>
<br>
we need to agree quickly on procedure for NCSG and document
that.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">can we get consensus this by Tuesday
12:00pm UTC and respond ot CSG?</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> </div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-24</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"> 21:42 GMT+09:00 avri doria <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span>:<br>
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<br>
some minor typo corrections<br>
<br>
Our counter-proposal is:<br>
<br>
* NCA is not to removed from any part of the process<br>
* there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
succeed.<br>
* as many nominees as come forward in a week.<br>
* 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round
between top two </blockquote>
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* 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round
of leader<br>
against NOTA<br>
* 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat
open until we get<br>
our act together.<br>
* then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA
talk until we<br>
get our act together.<br>
<span class="gmail-"><br>
On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions<br>
><br>
> I guess we say:<br>
> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.<br>
> - However, we can start the nomination process, for
NCSG and CSG in<br>
> parallel starting next week Monday<br>
> - Our counter-proposal is:<br>
><br>
</span>> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the
process<br>
> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8
to succeed.<br>
> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.<br>
> * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round
between top two<br>
> * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round
of leader against<br>
> NOTA<br>
> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the
seat open until we<br>
> get our act together.<br>
> * then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and
NCA talk until we<br>
<span class="gmail-">> get our act together.<br>
><br>
> if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share
our response with CSG.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Rafik<br>
><br>
</span>> 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@apc.org">avri@apc.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:avri@apc.org">avri@apc.org</a>>>:<br>
<div>
<div class="gmail-h5">><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I think we could respond that we do not
accept their proposal<br>
><br>
> - NCA is not to removed from any part of the
process<br>
><br>
> - we insist that there be a vote along the
previous lines - 8 to<br>
> succeed.<br>
><br>
> - as many nominees as come forward in a week.<br>
><br>
> - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second
round between top two<br>
><br>
> - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd
round of leader<br>
> against NOTA<br>
><br>
> - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave
seat open until we get our<br>
> act together.<br>
><br>
> - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members
and NCA talk until<br>
> we get<br>
> our act together.<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
> On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG
and say we are considering/or<br>
> > not their doc and will be proposing
something or an alternative<br>
> > version - and put some deadline on it
for us - maybe end of next<br>
> week?<br>
> ><br>
> > And, try to get agreement on a
nomination period - say next<br>
> week? or<br>
> > two weeks from Monday? Probably would
be useful to have the<br>
> CSG and<br>
> > NCSG nomination periods run in
parallel. Agree with CSG whether<br>
> > should be nomination and/or self
nomination.<br>
> ><br>
> > In the interim start work on the
process?<br>
> ><br>
> > Matthew<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
> >> Hi all,<br>
> >><br>
> >> we really need to develop our
response or proposal to CSG<br>
> quickly. at<br>
> >> least covering the topic of
nomination.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Best,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Rafik<br>
> >><br>
> >> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik
Dammak <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><wbr>><br>
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> >> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><wbr>>>>:<br>
<span class="gmail-">> >><br>
> >> Hi Matt,<br>
> >><br>
> >> thanks for the response, looking
for other comments on this<br>
> topic.<br>
> >> I think we can start with
nomination whole we work on the<br>
> process<br>
> >> and adjust the whole timeline.<br>
> >> how we shall proceed for
nominations, we have 2 candidates for<br>
> >> now. shall we initiate a process
to find other candidates? we<br>
> >> don't have so much time for a long
nomination period.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I understand that we are having
the deadline as a mean to press<br>
> >> us but we should stand and be
clear about the aspects which are<br>
> >> non-negotiable with regard to the
process.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Best,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Rafik<br>
> >><br>
> >> 2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew
shears <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>><br>
</span>> >> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>>>>:<br>
<div>
<div class="gmail-h5">> >><br>
> >> Thanks Rafik<br>
> >><br>
> >> Not sure much was agreed
except that we need to deal<br>
> with it<br>
> >> and we are running out of
time.<br>
> >><br>
> >> First we had the timeline
from Greg before the meeting,<br>
> which<br>
> >> was not really discussed
further. Then we had some general<br>
> >> discussion about the need to
do something on the Board<br>
> >> selection process. People
voiced their views on different<br>
> >> aspects of the process and
there was concern over the<br>
> >> timeline, but we did not
really decide anything (others<br>
> >> please jump in as I may have
missed some important<br>
> >> aspects). Markus announced
he wanted to continue in the<br>
> >> role; I announced I was
going to run. Then the CSG<br>
> proposal<br>
> >> for a process was circulated
on Thurs AM. There seemed<br>
> to be<br>
> >> general agreement that the
CSG proposal was not ideal.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I think the key immediate
thing is us agreeing a<br>
> process and<br>
> >> timeline for nominations and
getting that announced, so at<br>
> >> least the initial stages of
the process are underway.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Matthew<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik
Dammak wrote:<br>
> >>> Hi everyone,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> We got this note from
Greg to resume the discussion on<br>
> board<br>
> >>> seat election.<br>
> >>> First thing, is it
possible to get a summary of what<br>
> or not<br>
> >>> agreed on iceland on
that regard from those who attended<br>
> >>> intersessional?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> We also need to outline
what are our non-negotiable points<br>
> >>> such as having vote, NCA
participation and so on.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I think tgat the CSG
proposal from last week is far<br>
> from our<br>
> >>> expectations.<br>
> >>> There is also proposal
to have a call. We can have it<br>
> by end<br>
> >>> of this week but we do
need to be ready.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Best,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Rafik<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded
message ----------<br>
> >>> From: "Greg Shatan" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><br>
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<span class="gmail-">> >>>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>>><br>
> >>> Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM<br>
> >>> Subject:
[Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat<br>
> Selection Process<br>
> >>> To: <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-intersessional2017@<wbr>icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-<wbr>intersessional2017@icann.org</a>><br>
</span>
<div>
<div class="gmail-h5">> >>>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-<wbr>intersessional2017@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-<wbr>intersessional2017@icann.org</a>>><wbr>><br>
> >>> Cc:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> All,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> We probably need a
different mailing list to finish<br>
> >>> working on the Board
Seat selection process, and a<br>
> small<br>
> >>> group to do it, but
I'll start here, since I think<br>
> this<br>
> >>> is the only active
mailing list with both sides of the<br>
> >>> NCPH on it.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> We basically have no
time to work this out, and we've<br>
> >>> already started the
process without knowing what it is<br>
> >>> exactly, since we
have now received nominations.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> In addition to the
adaptation of the CPH procedures<br>
> >>> previously
circulated, I'm also attaching the<br>
> following<br>
> >>> for consideration:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> 1. Some
bullet-points from an exchange between<br>
> CSG and<br>
> >>> NCSG representatives
outlining a potential draft<br>
> process.<br>
> >>> 2. The latest
version of the ICANN Staff Memo with a<br>
> >>> revised draft
timeline and some relevant excerpts from<br>
> >>> Bylaws and GNSO
Procedures.<br>
> >>> 3. A further
excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section<br>
> >>> 11.3(f), which
covers the selection process for Seats<br>
> >>> 13-14 (to the extent
that is covered in the<br>
> Bylaws), and<br>
> >>> Section 11.3(h),
which is referred to in Section<br>
> 11.3(f).<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> A few thoughts and
comments:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> A. We only have 10
1/2 weeks to both develop and go<br>
> >>> through a process
that is contemplated to take 21<br>
> weeks<br>
> >>> (just to go
through). Talk about building the<br>
> airplane<br>
> >>> in the air.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> B. At the
Intersessional, we discussed possible<br>
> >>> adjustments to the
timeline, but did not come to any<br>
> >>> decisions. It's not
clear to me whether Staff is<br>
> >>> preparing a further
revised draft. I'll ask.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> C. If any of our
groups have not already done so, we<br>
> >>> should put out a
call for any other nominations ASAP<br>
> >>> (though it would be
nice to know the end of the<br>
> >>> nomination period).<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> D. Without making
any judgments, the CPH process and<br>
> >>> the NCPH
bullet-points are significantly different<br>
> when<br>
> >>> it comes to voting.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> E. We should figure
out how to get this process<br>
> agreed<br>
> >>> as quickly as
possible. Given the unusual<br>
> >>> circumstances, we
don't need to use this process as<br>
> >>> precedent for any
future process. We just need to get<br>
> >>> through this
selection. One approach is for NCSG to<br>
> >>> respond to the draft
sent at the end of the<br>
> >>> Intersessional.
However, given the gap between<br>
> that and<br>
> >>> the bullet-points,
it might just be better to<br>
> arrange a<br>
> >>> call/Adobe Connect
session ASAP to move the ball<br>
> forward.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Thanks for reading,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Greg<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> P.S. It's not all
that important how we got here, but<br>
> >>> nonetheless, it
should be noted that the GNSO<br>
> Procedures<br>
> >>> were never updated
from 2012, when the Bylaws deadline<br>
> >>> for naming the
Director was changed from one month to<br>
> >>> two months (briefly)
and then six months prior to<br>
> being<br>
> >>> seated. (The GNSO
Procedures will need to be<br>
> updated in<br>
> >>> any event, since the
Bylaws references are now<br>
> >>> obsolete.)) The
draft bullet-points repeated this<br>
> error.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> B. Since we are
doing this with very little time<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> *Greg Shatan<br>
> >>> *C: 917-816-6428<br>
> >>> S: gsshatan<br>
> >>> Phone-to-Skype:
646-845-9428<br>
> >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
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> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span class="gmail-">> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded
message ----------<br>
> >>> From: *Greg Shatan*
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><br>
</span><span class="gmail-">> >>>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>>><br>
> >>> Date: Thu, Feb 16,
2017 at 5:28 AM<br>
> >>> Subject: Discussion
Draft of Interim Board<br>
> Selection Process<br>
> >>> To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-intersessional2017@icann.<wbr>org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-<wbr>intersessional2017@icann.org</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-<wbr>intersessional2017@icann.org</a><br>
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> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> NCSG/NCUC/NPOC
Intersessional Participants,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> The CSG prepared a
"discussion draft" of a proposed<br>
> >>> interim Board
Selection Process based closely on the<br>
> >>> Final Process
adopted by the Contracted Parties House.<br>
> >>> Clean and marked
drafts are attached, showing changes<br>
> >>> from the CPH
document.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> A Google Docs
version can be found here, where any<br>
> >>> suggested changes
can be added in "suggest" mode (but<br>
> >>> everyone has "edit"<br>
> >>> rights):<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> >>><br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> >>><br>
> >>> We would hope to use
this for the current 2017 Board<br>
> >>> Seat process and
then revisit afterward before<br>
> making it<br>
> >>> a permanent rather
than "interim" process.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> This has not been
reviewed by the membership of<br>
> the IPC,<br>
> >>> BC and ISPCP, but we
wanted to start the discussion on<br>
> >>> this basis, given
the short amount of time we have for<br>
> >>> this year.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> We look forward to
your thoughts.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Thanks!<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Greg (on behalf of
BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional Teams)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> *Greg Shatan<br>
> >>> *C: 917-816-6428
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:%28917%29%20816-6428"><tel:%28917%29%20816-6428></a><br>
> >>> S: gsshatan<br>
> >>> Phone-to-Skype:
646-845-9428<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:%28646%29%20845-9428"><tel:%28646%29%20845-9428></a><br>
> >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
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> >>><br>
> >>><br>
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