[NCSG-PC] [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process

avri doria avri at apc.org
Mon Feb 27 07:33:58 EET 2017


hi,


> Not sure if there is time for a third round,

Depends on how long we allow for voting.  should not take all that long
for 13 people to vote. 24, 48, 72 hours?

avri



On 26-Feb-17 22:52, David Cake wrote:
> I think an interview with candidates and the whole house sounds good to me, and preferably prior to the first round. 
>
> Generally I think Avri’s proposal is good on most aspects. Not sure if there is time for a third round, but I suspect we are in deadliock if we get to that point anyway. 
>
> David
>
>> On 25 Feb 2017, at 10:34 pm, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> one thought.  you may want to schedule a joint interview of the top 2
>> before second round.
>>
>> with the whole house invited so that what they tell one is what they
>> tell the other.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 24-Feb-17 07:42, avri doria wrote:
>>>
>>> some minor typo corrections
>>>
>>> Our counter-proposal is:
>>>
>>>  * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>  * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>>  * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>  * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two
>>>  * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>>    against NOTA
>>>  * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
>>>    our act together. 
>>>  *  then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until we
>>>    get our act together.
>>>
>>> On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
>>>>
>>>> I guess we say:
>>>> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
>>>> - However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
>>>> parallel starting next week Monday
>>>> - Our counter-proposal is:
>>>>
>>>>  * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>>  * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>>>  * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>>  * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>>>  * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against
>>>>    NOTA
>>>>  * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we
>>>>    get our act together. 
>>>>  *  then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until we
>>>>    get our act together.
>>>>
>>>> if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response with CSG.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:
>>>>
>>>>    Hi,
>>>>
>>>>    I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal
>>>>
>>>>    - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>>
>>>>    - we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
>>>>    succeed.
>>>>
>>>>    - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>>
>>>>    - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>>>
>>>>    - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>>>    against NOTA
>>>>
>>>>    - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until we get our
>>>>    act together.
>>>>
>>>>    - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until
>>>>    we get
>>>>    our act together.
>>>>
>>>>    avri
>>>>
>>>>    On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are considering/or
>>>>> not their doc and will be proposing something or an alternative
>>>>> version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end of next
>>>>    week?
>>>>> And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
>>>>    week?  or
>>>>> two weeks from Monday?   Probably would be useful to have the
>>>>    CSG and
>>>>> NCSG nomination periods run in parallel.  Agree with CSG whether
>>>>> should be nomination and/or self nomination.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the interim start work on the process?
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG
>>>>    quickly. at
>>>>>> least covering the topic of nomination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Hi Matt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    thanks for the response, looking for other comments on this
>>>>    topic.
>>>>>>    I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the
>>>>    process
>>>>>>    and adjust the whole timeline.
>>>>>>    how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2 candidates for
>>>>>>    now. shall we initiate a process to find other candidates? we
>>>>>>    don't have so much time for a long nomination period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    I understand that we are having the deadline as a mean to press
>>>>>>    us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects which are
>>>>>>    non-negotiable with regard to the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org
>>>>    <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
>>>>>>    <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Thanks Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal
>>>>    with it
>>>>>>        and we are running out of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        First we had the timeline from Greg before the meeting,
>>>>    which
>>>>>>        was not really discussed further.  Then we had some general
>>>>>>        discussion about the need to do something on the Board
>>>>>>        selection process.  People voiced their views on different
>>>>>>        aspects of the process and there was concern over the
>>>>>>        timeline, but we did not really decide anything (others
>>>>>>        please jump in as I may have missed some important
>>>>>>        aspects).   Markus announced he wanted to continue in the
>>>>>>        role; I announced I was going to run.  Then the CSG
>>>>    proposal
>>>>>>        for a process was circulated on Thurs AM.  There seemed
>>>>    to be
>>>>>>        general agreement that the CSG proposal was not ideal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
>>>>    process and
>>>>>>        timeline for nominations and getting that announced, so at
>>>>>>        least the initial stages of the process are underway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>        Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        We got this note from Greg to resume the discussion on
>>>>    board
>>>>>>>        seat election.
>>>>>>>        First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what
>>>>    or not
>>>>>>>        agreed on iceland on that regard from those who attended
>>>>>>>        intersessional?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        We also need to outline what are our non-negotiable points
>>>>>>>        such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far
>>>>    from our
>>>>>>>        expectations.
>>>>>>>        There is also proposal to have a call. We can have it
>>>>    by end
>>>>>>>        of this week but we do need to be ready.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>        From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>        <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>        Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
>>>>>>>        Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
>>>>    Selection Process
>>>>>>>        To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>    <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>>>>>>        <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>    <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>>        Cc:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            We probably need a different mailing list to finish
>>>>>>>            working on the Board Seat selection process, and a
>>>>    small
>>>>>>>            group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think
>>>>    this
>>>>>>>            is the only active mailing list with both sides of the
>>>>>>>            NCPH on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            We basically have no time to work this out, and we've
>>>>>>>            already started the process without knowing what it is
>>>>>>>            exactly, since we have now received nominations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            In addition to the adaptation of the CPH procedures
>>>>>>>            previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
>>>>    following
>>>>>>>            for consideration:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            1.  Some bullet-points from an exchange between
>>>>    CSG and
>>>>>>>            NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
>>>>    process.
>>>>>>>            2.  The latest version of the ICANN Staff Memo with a
>>>>>>>            revised draft timeline and some relevant excerpts from
>>>>>>>            Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
>>>>>>>            3.  A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section
>>>>>>>            11.3(f), which covers the selection process for Seats
>>>>>>>            13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
>>>>    Bylaws), and
>>>>>>>            Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
>>>>    11.3(f).
>>>>>>>            A few thoughts and comments:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            A.  We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both develop and go
>>>>>>>            through a process that is contemplated to take 21
>>>>    weeks
>>>>>>>            (just to go through).  Talk about building the
>>>>    airplane
>>>>>>>            in the air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            B.  At the Intersessional, we discussed possible
>>>>>>>            adjustments to the timeline, but did not come to any
>>>>>>>            decisions.  It's not clear to me whether Staff is
>>>>>>>            preparing a further revised draft.  I'll ask.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            C.  If any of our groups have not already done so, we
>>>>>>>            should put out a call for any other nominations ASAP
>>>>>>>            (though it would be nice to know the end of the
>>>>>>>            nomination period).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            D.  Without making any judgments, the CPH process and
>>>>>>>            the NCPH bullet-points are significantly different
>>>>    when
>>>>>>>            it comes to voting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            E.  We should figure out how to get this process
>>>>    agreed
>>>>>>>            as quickly as possible.  Given the unusual
>>>>>>>            circumstances, we don't need to use this process as
>>>>>>>            precedent for any future process.  We just need to get
>>>>>>>            through this selection.  One approach is for NCSG to
>>>>>>>            respond to the draft sent at the end of the
>>>>>>>            Intersessional.  However, given the gap between
>>>>    that and
>>>>>>>            the bullet-points, it might just be better to
>>>>    arrange a
>>>>>>>            call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
>>>>    forward.
>>>>>>>            Thanks for reading,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            Greg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            P.S.  It's not all that important how we got here, but
>>>>>>>            nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
>>>>    Procedures
>>>>>>>            were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws deadline
>>>>>>>            for naming the Director was changed from one month to
>>>>>>>            two months (briefly) and then six months prior to
>>>>    being
>>>>>>>            seated.  (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
>>>>    updated in
>>>>>>>            any event, since the Bylaws references are now
>>>>>>>            obsolete.))  The draft bullet-points repeated this
>>>>    error.
>>>>>>>            B.  Since we are doing this with very little time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>>            *C: 917-816-6428
>>>>>>>            S: gsshatan
>>>>>>>            Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>>>>>            gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>            From: *Greg Shatan* <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>            <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>            Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
>>>>>>>            Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
>>>>    Selection Process
>>>>>>>            To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>    <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>>>>>>            <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>>    <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a proposed
>>>>>>>            interim Board Selection Process based closely on the
>>>>>>>            Final Process adopted by the Contracted Parties House.
>>>>>>>            Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing changes
>>>>>>>            from the CPH document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            A Google Docs version can be found here, where any
>>>>>>>            suggested changes can be added in "suggest" mode (but
>>>>>>>            everyone has "edit"
>>>>>>>            rights):
>>>>    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
>>>>>>>            We would hope to use this for the current 2017 Board
>>>>>>>            Seat process and then revisit afterward before
>>>>    making it
>>>>>>>            a permanent rather than "interim" process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            This has not been reviewed by the membership of
>>>>    the IPC,
>>>>>>>            BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the discussion on
>>>>>>>            this basis, given the short amount of time we have for
>>>>>>>            this year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            We look forward to your thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional Teams)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>>            *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
>>>>>>>            S: gsshatan
>>>>>>>            Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>>    <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
>>>>>>>            gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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