[NCSG-PC] [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process
avri doria
avri at apc.org
Mon Feb 27 07:33:58 EET 2017
hi,
> Not sure if there is time for a third round,
Depends on how long we allow for voting. should not take all that long
for 13 people to vote. 24, 48, 72 hours?
avri
On 26-Feb-17 22:52, David Cake wrote:
> I think an interview with candidates and the whole house sounds good to me, and preferably prior to the first round.
>
> Generally I think Avri’s proposal is good on most aspects. Not sure if there is time for a third round, but I suspect we are in deadliock if we get to that point anyway.
>
> David
>
>> On 25 Feb 2017, at 10:34 pm, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> one thought. you may want to schedule a joint interview of the top 2
>> before second round.
>>
>> with the whole house invited so that what they tell one is what they
>> tell the other.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 24-Feb-17 07:42, avri doria wrote:
>>>
>>> some minor typo corrections
>>>
>>> Our counter-proposal is:
>>>
>>> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>> * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two
>>> * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>> against NOTA
>>> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
>>> our act together.
>>> * then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
>>> get our act together.
>>>
>>> On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
>>>>
>>>> I guess we say:
>>>> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
>>>> - However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
>>>> parallel starting next week Monday
>>>> - Our counter-proposal is:
>>>>
>>>> * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>> * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>>> * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>> * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>>> * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against
>>>> NOTA
>>>> * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we
>>>> get our act together.
>>>> * then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we
>>>> get our act together.
>>>>
>>>> if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response with CSG.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal
>>>>
>>>> - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>>>
>>>> - we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
>>>> succeed.
>>>>
>>>> - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>>>
>>>> - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>>>
>>>> - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>>> against NOTA
>>>>
>>>> - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until we get our
>>>> act together.
>>>>
>>>> - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until
>>>> we get
>>>> our act together.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>> On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are considering/or
>>>>> not their doc and will be proposing something or an alternative
>>>>> version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end of next
>>>> week?
>>>>> And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
>>>> week? or
>>>>> two weeks from Monday? Probably would be useful to have the
>>>> CSG and
>>>>> NCSG nomination periods run in parallel. Agree with CSG whether
>>>>> should be nomination and/or self nomination.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the interim start work on the process?
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG
>>>> quickly. at
>>>>>> least covering the topic of nomination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for the response, looking for other comments on this
>>>> topic.
>>>>>> I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the
>>>> process
>>>>>> and adjust the whole timeline.
>>>>>> how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2 candidates for
>>>>>> now. shall we initiate a process to find other candidates? we
>>>>>> don't have so much time for a long nomination period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand that we are having the deadline as a mean to press
>>>>>> us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects which are
>>>>>> non-negotiable with regard to the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org
>>>> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal
>>>> with it
>>>>>> and we are running out of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First we had the timeline from Greg before the meeting,
>>>> which
>>>>>> was not really discussed further. Then we had some general
>>>>>> discussion about the need to do something on the Board
>>>>>> selection process. People voiced their views on different
>>>>>> aspects of the process and there was concern over the
>>>>>> timeline, but we did not really decide anything (others
>>>>>> please jump in as I may have missed some important
>>>>>> aspects). Markus announced he wanted to continue in the
>>>>>> role; I announced I was going to run. Then the CSG
>>>> proposal
>>>>>> for a process was circulated on Thurs AM. There seemed
>>>> to be
>>>>>> general agreement that the CSG proposal was not ideal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
>>>> process and
>>>>>> timeline for nominations and getting that announced, so at
>>>>>> least the initial stages of the process are underway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We got this note from Greg to resume the discussion on
>>>> board
>>>>>>> seat election.
>>>>>>> First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what
>>>> or not
>>>>>>> agreed on iceland on that regard from those who attended
>>>>>>> intersessional?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We also need to outline what are our non-negotiable points
>>>>>>> such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far
>>>> from our
>>>>>>> expectations.
>>>>>>> There is also proposal to have a call. We can have it
>>>> by end
>>>>>>> of this week but we do need to be ready.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
>>>> Selection Process
>>>>>>> To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We probably need a different mailing list to finish
>>>>>>> working on the Board Seat selection process, and a
>>>> small
>>>>>>> group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think
>>>> this
>>>>>>> is the only active mailing list with both sides of the
>>>>>>> NCPH on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We basically have no time to work this out, and we've
>>>>>>> already started the process without knowing what it is
>>>>>>> exactly, since we have now received nominations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition to the adaptation of the CPH procedures
>>>>>>> previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
>>>> following
>>>>>>> for consideration:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Some bullet-points from an exchange between
>>>> CSG and
>>>>>>> NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
>>>> process.
>>>>>>> 2. The latest version of the ICANN Staff Memo with a
>>>>>>> revised draft timeline and some relevant excerpts from
>>>>>>> Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
>>>>>>> 3. A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section
>>>>>>> 11.3(f), which covers the selection process for Seats
>>>>>>> 13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
>>>> Bylaws), and
>>>>>>> Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
>>>> 11.3(f).
>>>>>>> A few thoughts and comments:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A. We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both develop and go
>>>>>>> through a process that is contemplated to take 21
>>>> weeks
>>>>>>> (just to go through). Talk about building the
>>>> airplane
>>>>>>> in the air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B. At the Intersessional, we discussed possible
>>>>>>> adjustments to the timeline, but did not come to any
>>>>>>> decisions. It's not clear to me whether Staff is
>>>>>>> preparing a further revised draft. I'll ask.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> C. If any of our groups have not already done so, we
>>>>>>> should put out a call for any other nominations ASAP
>>>>>>> (though it would be nice to know the end of the
>>>>>>> nomination period).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D. Without making any judgments, the CPH process and
>>>>>>> the NCPH bullet-points are significantly different
>>>> when
>>>>>>> it comes to voting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E. We should figure out how to get this process
>>>> agreed
>>>>>>> as quickly as possible. Given the unusual
>>>>>>> circumstances, we don't need to use this process as
>>>>>>> precedent for any future process. We just need to get
>>>>>>> through this selection. One approach is for NCSG to
>>>>>>> respond to the draft sent at the end of the
>>>>>>> Intersessional. However, given the gap between
>>>> that and
>>>>>>> the bullet-points, it might just be better to
>>>> arrange a
>>>>>>> call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
>>>> forward.
>>>>>>> Thanks for reading,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. It's not all that important how we got here, but
>>>>>>> nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
>>>> Procedures
>>>>>>> were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws deadline
>>>>>>> for naming the Director was changed from one month to
>>>>>>> two months (briefly) and then six months prior to
>>>> being
>>>>>>> seated. (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
>>>> updated in
>>>>>>> any event, since the Bylaws references are now
>>>>>>> obsolete.)) The draft bullet-points repeated this
>>>> error.
>>>>>>> B. Since we are doing this with very little time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>> *C: 917-816-6428
>>>>>>> S: gsshatan
>>>>>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: *Greg Shatan* <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
>>>> Selection Process
>>>>>>> To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a proposed
>>>>>>> interim Board Selection Process based closely on the
>>>>>>> Final Process adopted by the Contracted Parties House.
>>>>>>> Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing changes
>>>>>>> from the CPH document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Google Docs version can be found here, where any
>>>>>>> suggested changes can be added in "suggest" mode (but
>>>>>>> everyone has "edit"
>>>>>>> rights):
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
>>>>>>> We would hope to use this for the current 2017 Board
>>>>>>> Seat process and then revisit afterward before
>>>> making it
>>>>>>> a permanent rather than "interim" process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This has not been reviewed by the membership of
>>>> the IPC,
>>>>>>> BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the discussion on
>>>>>>> this basis, given the short amount of time we have for
>>>>>>> this year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We look forward to your thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional Teams)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>> *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
>>>>>>> S: gsshatan
>>>>>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>> <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
>>>>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>
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