[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process

avri doria avri at apc.org
Sat Feb 25 16:34:50 EET 2017


one thought.  you may want to schedule a joint interview of the top 2
before second round.

with the whole house invited so that what they tell one is what they
tell the other.

avri


On 24-Feb-17 07:42, avri doria wrote:
>  
>
> some minor typo corrections
>
> Our counter-proposal is:
>
>   * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>   * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>   * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>   * 1st round if one gets 8 then done, if not second round between top two
>   * 2nd round if one get 8 then done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>     against NOTA
>   * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get
>     our act together. 
>   *  then CSG PCs, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until we
>     get our act together.
>
> On 24-Feb-17 00:31, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions
>>
>> I guess we say:
>> - we cannot accept CSG proposal.
>> - However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in
>> parallel starting next week Monday
>> - Our counter-proposal is:
>>
>>   * NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>   * there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.
>>   * as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>   * 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>   * 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against
>>     NOTA
>>   * 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we
>>     get our act together. 
>>   *  then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until we
>>     get our act together.
>>
>> if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response with CSG.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal
>>
>>     - NCA is not to removed from any part of the process
>>
>>     - we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to
>>     succeed.
>>
>>     - as many nominees as come forward in a week.
>>
>>     - 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two
>>
>>     - 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader
>>     against NOTA
>>
>>     - 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until we get our
>>     act together.
>>
>>     - then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA  talk until
>>     we get
>>     our act together.
>>
>>     avri
>>
>>     On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:
>>     >
>>     > Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are considering/or
>>     > not their doc and will be proposing something or an alternative
>>     > version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end of next
>>     week?
>>     >
>>     > And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
>>     week?  or
>>     > two weeks from Monday?   Probably would be useful to have the
>>     CSG and
>>     > NCSG nomination periods run in parallel.  Agree with CSG whether
>>     > should be nomination and/or self nomination.
>>     >
>>     > In the interim start work on the process?
>>     >
>>     > Matthew
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>     >> Hi all,
>>     >>
>>     >> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG
>>     quickly. at
>>     >> least covering the topic of nomination.
>>     >>
>>     >> Best,
>>     >>
>>     >> Rafik
>>     >>
>>     >> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>     >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>:
>>     >>
>>     >>     Hi Matt,
>>     >>
>>     >>     thanks for the response, looking for other comments on this
>>     topic.
>>     >>     I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the
>>     process
>>     >>     and adjust the whole timeline.
>>     >>     how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2 candidates for
>>     >>     now. shall we initiate a process to find other candidates? we
>>     >>     don't have so much time for a long nomination period.
>>     >>
>>     >>     I understand that we are having the deadline as a mean to press
>>     >>     us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects which are
>>     >>     non-negotiable with regard to the process.
>>     >>
>>     >>     Best,
>>     >>
>>     >>     Rafik
>>     >>
>>     >>     2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org
>>     <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
>>     >>     <mailto:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>>:
>>     >>
>>     >>         Thanks Rafik
>>     >>
>>     >>         Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal
>>     with it
>>     >>         and we are running out of time.
>>     >>
>>     >>         First we had the timeline from Greg before the meeting,
>>     which
>>     >>         was not really discussed further.  Then we had some general
>>     >>         discussion about the need to do something on the Board
>>     >>         selection process.  People voiced their views on different
>>     >>         aspects of the process and there was concern over the
>>     >>         timeline, but we did not really decide anything (others
>>     >>         please jump in as I may have missed some important
>>     >>         aspects).   Markus announced he wanted to continue in the
>>     >>         role; I announced I was going to run.  Then the CSG
>>     proposal
>>     >>         for a process was circulated on Thurs AM.  There seemed
>>     to be
>>     >>         general agreement that the CSG proposal was not ideal.
>>     >>
>>     >>         I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a
>>     process and
>>     >>         timeline for nominations and getting that announced, so at
>>     >>         least the initial stages of the process are underway.
>>     >>
>>     >>         Matthew
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>         On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>     >>>         Hi everyone,
>>     >>>
>>     >>>         We got this note from Greg to resume the discussion on
>>     board
>>     >>>         seat election.
>>     >>>         First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what
>>     or not
>>     >>>         agreed on iceland on that regard from those who attended
>>     >>>         intersessional?
>>     >>>
>>     >>>         We also need to outline what are our non-negotiable points
>>     >>>         such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>         I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far
>>     from our
>>     >>>         expectations.
>>     >>>         There is also proposal to have a call. We can have it
>>     by end
>>     >>>         of this week but we do need to be ready.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>         Best,
>>     >>>
>>     >>>         Rafik
>>     >>>
>>     >>>         ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>     >>>         From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>     >>>         <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>     >>>         Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM
>>     >>>         Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat
>>     Selection Process
>>     >>>         To: <ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>     <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>     >>>         <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>     <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>>
>>     >>>         Cc:
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             All,
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             We probably need a different mailing list to finish
>>     >>>             working on the Board Seat selection process, and a
>>     small
>>     >>>             group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think
>>     this
>>     >>>             is the only active mailing list with both sides of the
>>     >>>             NCPH on it.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             We basically have no time to work this out, and we've
>>     >>>             already started the process without knowing what it is
>>     >>>             exactly, since we have now received nominations.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             In addition to the adaptation of the CPH procedures
>>     >>>             previously circulated, I'm also attaching the
>>     following
>>     >>>             for consideration:
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             1.  Some bullet-points from an exchange between
>>     CSG and
>>     >>>             NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft
>>     process.
>>     >>>             2.  The latest version of the ICANN Staff Memo with a
>>     >>>             revised draft timeline and some relevant excerpts from
>>     >>>             Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.
>>     >>>             3.  A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section
>>     >>>             11.3(f), which covers the selection process for Seats
>>     >>>             13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the
>>     Bylaws), and
>>     >>>             Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section
>>     11.3(f).
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             A few thoughts and comments:
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             A.  We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both develop and go
>>     >>>             through a process that is contemplated to take 21
>>     weeks
>>     >>>             (just to go through).  Talk about building the
>>     airplane
>>     >>>             in the air.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             B.  At the Intersessional, we discussed possible
>>     >>>             adjustments to the timeline, but did not come to any
>>     >>>             decisions.  It's not clear to me whether Staff is
>>     >>>             preparing a further revised draft.  I'll ask.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             C.  If any of our groups have not already done so, we
>>     >>>             should put out a call for any other nominations ASAP
>>     >>>             (though it would be nice to know the end of the
>>     >>>             nomination period).
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             D.  Without making any judgments, the CPH process and
>>     >>>             the NCPH bullet-points are significantly different
>>     when
>>     >>>             it comes to voting.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             E.  We should figure out how to get this process
>>     agreed
>>     >>>             as quickly as possible.  Given the unusual
>>     >>>             circumstances, we don't need to use this process as
>>     >>>             precedent for any future process.  We just need to get
>>     >>>             through this selection.  One approach is for NCSG to
>>     >>>             respond to the draft sent at the end of the
>>     >>>             Intersessional.  However, given the gap between
>>     that and
>>     >>>             the bullet-points, it might just be better to
>>     arrange a
>>     >>>             call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball
>>     forward.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             Thanks for reading,
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             Greg
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             P.S.  It's not all that important how we got here, but
>>     >>>             nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO
>>     Procedures
>>     >>>             were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws deadline
>>     >>>             for naming the Director was changed from one month to
>>     >>>             two months (briefly) and then six months prior to
>>     being
>>     >>>             seated.  (The GNSO Procedures will need to be
>>     updated in
>>     >>>             any event, since the Bylaws references are now
>>     >>>             obsolete.))  The draft bullet-points repeated this
>>     error.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             B.  Since we are doing this with very little time
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             *Greg Shatan
>>     >>>             *C: 917-816-6428
>>     >>>             S: gsshatan
>>     >>>             Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>     >>>             gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>     >>>             From: *Greg Shatan* <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>     >>>             <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>     >>>             Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM
>>     >>>             Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board
>>     Selection Process
>>     >>>             To: ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>     <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>
>>     >>>             <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org
>>     <mailto:ncph-intersessional2017 at icann.org>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a proposed
>>     >>>             interim Board Selection Process based closely on the
>>     >>>             Final Process adopted by the Contracted Parties House.
>>     >>>             Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing changes
>>     >>>             from the CPH document.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             A Google Docs version can be found here, where any
>>     >>>             suggested changes can be added in "suggest" mode (but
>>     >>>             everyone has "edit"
>>     >>>             rights):
>>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>
>>     >>>           
>>      <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing
>>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             We would hope to use this for the current 2017 Board
>>     >>>             Seat process and then revisit afterward before
>>     making it
>>     >>>             a permanent rather than "interim" process.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             This has not been reviewed by the membership of
>>     the IPC,
>>     >>>             BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the discussion on
>>     >>>             this basis, given the short amount of time we have for
>>     >>>             this year.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             We look forward to your thoughts.
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             Thanks!
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional Teams)
>>     >>>
>>     >>>             *Greg Shatan
>>     >>>             *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>
>>     >>>             S: gsshatan
>>     >>>             Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>     <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
>>     >>>             gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
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