[NCSG-PC] Endorsement of NCSG Comment on GNSO operating procedures change

Dr. Tatiana Tropina t.tropina at mpicc.de
Sat Aug 12 17:19:05 EEST 2017


Hi all,

I support the amended version.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 12/08/17 09:08, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Farzaneh, Mathew,
>
>
> I added your suggestion for rephrasing the last paragraph and I also
> added your previous suggestion from the other thread:
> /"If later on during implementing the operating procedures, it is
> found out that changes recommended by  DT   for some reason are not
> reflected in the new  GNSO operating procedures, GNSO should follow
> the DT advice in those circumstances and allow for the mistake to be
> corrected.  "/
>
> please find attached the latest version, if there is no objection in
> next 12hours, I will submit the comment.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-08-11 23:44 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>:
>
>     So I gather that there was not support for my suggested addition.
>     I will not add it in the document. I also find this sentence
>     problematic:"Finally, we should note that there was disagreement
>     in the DT as to who should speak on behalf of the GNSO as a
>     Decisional Participant in the Empowered Community. " there was
>     disagreement but we reached consensus. This sentence is not
>     drafted carefully to reflect that there was consensus and only
>     emphasizes on the disagreement. I suggest reframing it like
>     this: Finally, we should note that the DT reached a consensus that
>     _GNSO Council_ should speak on behalf of the GNSO as a Decisional
>     Participant in the Empowered Community.
>
>     Farzaneh
>
>     On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Stephanie Perrin
>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>
>         I think it looks fine now.  I endorse it!
>
>         cheers SP
>
>
>         On 2017-08-11 08:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>
>>         Hi
>>
>>         I have added a brief comment on the role of the GNSO
>>         Council.  Please review carefully.
>>
>>         Note that the BC submission refers to this issue extensively.
>>
>>         Matthew
>>
>>
>>         On 11/08/2017 03:33, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>         Hi Matt, Stephanie,
>>>
>>>         can you please add the two suggested comments to the draft asap?
>>>         I see support for the draft but we should add those edits
>>>         quickly.
>>>
>>>         Best,
>>>
>>>         Rafik 
>>>
>>>         2017-08-10 17:45 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii
>>>         <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>>             I think we should add that. please also consider adding
>>>             what I mentioned in my previous email. DT had a debate
>>>             and reached consensus on many important issues which
>>>             were contentious, mainly participation of GNSO in the
>>>             empowered community through the council and the
>>>             thresholds to reach decisions. As Stephanie agreed to
>>>             add something like that, I kindly ask her to just come
>>>             up with a once sentence which encompasses what I said in
>>>             my previous email since she knows how the council
>>>             functions better than I do.
>>>
>>>             Farzaneh
>>>
>>>             On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:37 AM, Rafik Dammak
>>>             <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Hi Matt,
>>>
>>>                 I do think we can add a similar line to our comment .
>>>
>>>                 Best,
>>>
>>>                 Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>>                 2017-08-10 17:19 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears
>>>                 <matthew at intpolicy.com <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>>:
>>>
>>>                     I'm drawing it to the attention of the PC - the
>>>                     issue of the role of Council was a contentious
>>>                     one in the DT with the BC and other suggesting
>>>                     that the Council was exceeding its role if it
>>>                     took on EC responsibilities.  NCSG and RySG were
>>>                     aligned on this seeing no issue with Council
>>>                     assuming the role.   My question was whether we
>>>                     thought we should add a similar line on the role
>>>                     of Council in our submission.
>>>
>>>                     Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>>                     On 10/08/2017 09:13, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>                     Hi Matt,
>>>>
>>>>                     are you suggesting a change to the comment? do
>>>>                     you have some wording to add?
>>>>
>>>>                     Best,
>>>>
>>>>                     Rafik
>>>>
>>>>                     2017-08-10 17:05 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears
>>>>                     <matthew at intpolicy.com
>>>>                     <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>>:
>>>>
>>>>                         Hi all
>>>>
>>>>                         I draw your attention to this submission by
>>>>                         the RySG:
>>>>
>>>>                         http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-gnso-op-procedures-19jun17/attachments/20170807/1d703c9a/RySGpubliccomment-GNSOOperatingProceduresandICANNBylaws-0001.pdf
>>>>                         <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-gnso-op-procedures-19jun17/attachments/20170807/1d703c9a/RySGpubliccomment-GNSOOperatingProceduresandICANNBylaws-0001.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>                         They note the following which we may wish
>>>>                         to emulate (at a minimum the first line I
>>>>                         would have thought):
>>>>
>>>>                         /The RySG fully recognises the authority of
>>>>                         the GNSO Council to speak on behalf of the
>>>>                         GNSO as
>>>>                         Decisional Participant in the Empowered
>>>>                         Community. This is in line with current
>>>>                         practice and
>>>>                         working methods and respects the existing
>>>>                         equilibrium within the GNSO’s structure.
>>>>                         The RySG
>>>>                         agrees that on this point no changes need
>>>>                         to be made to the ICANN Bylaws in relation
>>>>                         to the role
>>>>                         and description of the GNSO Council.///
>>>>
>>>>                         Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         On 10/08/2017 01:03, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>                         Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>                         the deadline for submission is this
>>>>>                         Friday. I attached the clean version for
>>>>>                         review. I understand that Matt, Poncelet,
>>>>>                         Stephanie support the comment. we need to
>>>>>                         hear from other PC members.
>>>>>
>>>>>                         Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>                         Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>>                         2017-08-07 23:24 GMT+09:00 Stephanie
>>>>>                         Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>>                         <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>                             I think that is a really good idea, as
>>>>>                             these are important procedures, and we
>>>>>                             need to be able to amend if required. 
>>>>>                             Hard to anticipate everything, in my
>>>>>                             view...
>>>>>
>>>>>                             SP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                             On 2017-08-07 08:49, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>>                             Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             I was on the DT group. I don't have
>>>>>>                             the time to go through every single
>>>>>>                             change and see if they accord with
>>>>>>                             what we agreed on. If you want in the
>>>>>>                             public comment we should ask that if
>>>>>>                             later on during implementing the
>>>>>>                             operating procedures we find out that
>>>>>>                              changes recommended by  DT   for
>>>>>>                             some reason are not reflected in the
>>>>>>                             new  GNSO operating procedures, GNSO
>>>>>>                             should follow the DT advice in those
>>>>>>                             circumstances and allow for the
>>>>>>                             mistake to be corrected.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:41 AM,
>>>>>>                             Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>>                             <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>>>                             <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
>>>>>>                             wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                 It looks fine to me.  I don't
>>>>>>                                 have knowledge of or time to do
>>>>>>                                 the research on the issues at the
>>>>>>                                 moment, so I hope that those who
>>>>>>                                 do can catch things that need
>>>>>>                                 changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                 cheers Stephanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                 On 2017-08-07 02:07, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>                                 wrote:
>>>>>>>                                 Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                 the comment is quite
>>>>>>>                                 straightforward and supporting
>>>>>>>                                 the changes outlined in the
>>>>>>>                                 public consultation.
>>>>>>>                                 we can have as the deadline for
>>>>>>>                                 review and endorsement the 9th
>>>>>>>                                 August. I urge councilors, in
>>>>>>>                                 particular, to review the
>>>>>>>                                 changes since it concerns the
>>>>>>>                                 operating procedures.
>>>>>>>                                 Thanks, Matt again for the
>>>>>>>                                 draft. I resolved the edits made
>>>>>>>                                 by Ayden. ant proof-reading and
>>>>>>>                                 review would be helpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                 Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                 Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                 2017-08-05 6:33 GMT+09:00 Ayden
>>>>>>>                                 Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>                                 <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                     Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                     I have made some minor
>>>>>>>                                     alterations to style, but
>>>>>>>                                     added nothing of substance.
>>>>>>>                                     I hope someone with more
>>>>>>>                                     knowledge of this issue will
>>>>>>>                                     be able to contribute to our
>>>>>>>                                     comment. Submissions are due
>>>>>>>                                     in six days time. Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                     Best wishes, Ayden 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                     -------- Original Message
>>>>>>>>                                     --------
>>>>>>>>                                     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] NCSG
>>>>>>>>                                     Comment on GNSO operating
>>>>>>>>                                     procedures change
>>>>>>>>                                     Local Time: August 1, 2017
>>>>>>>>                                     5:35 PM
>>>>>>>>                                     UTC Time: August 1, 2017
>>>>>>>>                                     4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>                                     From: matthew at intpolicy.com
>>>>>>>>                                     <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>
>>>>>>>>                                     To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>                                     <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>,
>>>>>>>>                                     farzaneh badii
>>>>>>>>                                     <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM
>>>>>>>>                                     <mailto:farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                     Hi all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                     Wanted to get this back at
>>>>>>>>                                     the top of the list of
>>>>>>>>                                     to-do's as time is running out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                     Appreciate the comments
>>>>>>>>                                     from some of the PC members
>>>>>>>>                                     but would welcome
>>>>>>>>                                     additional inputs,
>>>>>>>>                                     thoughts, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                     See google doc below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                     Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                     Matthew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                                     On 27/07/2017 03:08, Martin
>>>>>>>>                                     Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>                                     Matt,
>>>>>>>>>                                     I don’t have any comment
>>>>>>>>>                                     to do, I agree with the
>>>>>>>>>                                     statements and the
>>>>>>>>>                                     wording. Let me know if I
>>>>>>>>>                                     can do anything specific
>>>>>>>>>                                     to help. Other than that
>>>>>>>>>                                     you have my support. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                                     Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>                                     Martín
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                     On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:22
>>>>>>>>>>                                     PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>>>>                                     <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>                                     <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                     Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                     the deadline for the
>>>>>>>>>>                                     public comment is the
>>>>>>>>>>                                     10th of August, we have
>>>>>>>>>>                                     to finish consulting with
>>>>>>>>>>                                     NCSG members, review and
>>>>>>>>>>                                     endorsement prior to
>>>>>>>>>>                                     that. I suggest 8th
>>>>>>>>>>                                     August as our internal
>>>>>>>>>>                                     deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                     Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                     Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                     2017-07-25 23:28
>>>>>>>>>>                                     GMT+09:00 Stefania Milan
>>>>>>>>>>                                     <stefania.milan at eui.eu
>>>>>>>>>>                                     <mailto:stefania.milan at eui.eu>>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                         Hi Matt, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>                                         What's the deadline
>>>>>>>>>>                                         for this? I am in
>>>>>>>>>>                                         transit (and in fact,
>>>>>>>>>>                                         on holiday), witch
>>>>>>>>>>                                         sketchy internet
>>>>>>>>>>                                         access and the doc
>>>>>>>>>>                                         doesn't open for me
>>>>>>>>>>                                         today (might be the
>>>>>>>>>>                                         poor connection...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                         Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                         On Jul 25, 2017, at
>>>>>>>>>>                                         9:17 AM, Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>                                         Shears
>>>>>>>>>>                                         <matthew at intpolicy.com
>>>>>>>>>>                                         <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                         wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         Let me qualify the
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         last sentence -
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         ICANN staff are not
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         adding new items in
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         addition to the work
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         of the DT, but
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         rather adding
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         references to work
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         done previously.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         On 25/07/2017 16:05,
>>>>>>>>>>>                                         Matthew Shears wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         Calling all PCers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         I have started on
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         the above public
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         comment but am
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         still going through
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         the consultation
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         docs.  However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         time marches on and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         we need to get this
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         one underway. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         So, please review
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         the consultation
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         docs here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-op-procedures-2017-06-19-en
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-op-procedures-2017-06-19-en>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         And make comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         in the google doc here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gydCJ3IFGsptk8BTYa8aQ5lF-ddk_Q9DWja7bZIgsiY/edit
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gydCJ3IFGsptk8BTYa8aQ5lF-ddk_Q9DWja7bZIgsiY/edit>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         Note that ICANN
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         staff have used
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         this opportunity to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         include other
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         changes that the DT
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         did not discuss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         Many thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                                         -- 
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