[NCSG-PC] CSG Position on Board Seat 14

Wed Apr 26 20:42:57 EEST 2017

I stand corrected. Thank you for being precise. :-)

Anyway, seeing no objections I sent this suggestion to CSG chairs,
now waiting for their response. We need to get voting started
on Friday at the latest to get it finished in time.

Tapani

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:27:54PM -0400, avri doria (avri at apc.org) wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> except that if NOTA gets 8 you should throw out both candidates and try
> again.
> 
> which won't happen.
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 26-Apr-17 10:12, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> > In this case the requirement of 8 votes for getting elected
> > makes NotA interpretation is unambiguous. :-)
> >
> > Tapani
> >
> >
> > On Apr 26 16:04, William Drake (wjdrake at gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> >> Our dear friend NOTA!  Now which interpretation of this are we following…:-)
> >>
> >> BD
> >>
> >>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 15:54, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah we should've had a proper process with discussion
> >>> and all, but time is running out - deadline is 3 May.
> >>>
> >>> Suggestion:
> >>>
> >>> Let's have a vote with Matt and Markus and NotA on ballot,
> >>> NCPH councillors (CSG, NCSG & NCA) voting, starting ASAP,
> >>> vote to end by 2 May, 8 votes required for election.
> >>>
> >>> Any objections if I propose that to CSG?
> >>>
> >>> As to your question: CSG councillors vote as per their constituencies'
> >>> decisions, and you can see those positions in Greg's mail I forwarded.
> >>>
> >>> Tapani
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 26 08:45, William Drake (wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi
> >>>>
> >>>> Here’s another observer who thinks such things should be done through a proper process entailing a) internal discussion and then b) vote. 
> >>>>
> >>>> Question: do CSG Councilors just do whatever they like on this like us or are their positions agreed within their respective constituencies?  
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 00:39, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Rafik
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Observer speaking,  but wanted to revive this thread. I agree with you that we should go to formal vote and include the NCA. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Farzaneh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> with the response from CSG about their nomination, we should move forward in this process:
> >>>>> - we agreed previously to nominate Mathew and Markus as candidates from NCSG. I think we can confirm that and send the names to CSG.
> >>>>> - we have to agree on the process for this time: running. I think we rejected before any kind of negotiation to agree on candidate and we insisted on having a vote anyway. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> copying here what was suggested from Greg:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "1.  If it's possible for the NCSG to come up with a unified view on this topic, and if that view is the same as CSG, Matthew could be nominated by acclamation, without the need for a vote or a call.
> >>>>> 2.  If that's not possible, then we can do either:
> >>>>> (a) a call to either (i) see if a nomination can be resolved on the call, or (ii) to resolve the process from this point forward.
> >>>>> (b) an election, but then we need to decide who is voting, and under what terms.
> >>>>> "
> >>>>> I don't see any harm to have a call but I think we should go to formal vote regardless of that and we need to include Julf as NCA to NCPH. 
> >>>>> agreeing on a long-term process seems unattainable goal but we still have to try to make it. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> comments and suggestions are welcome.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rafik
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-04-25 2:25 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>>:
> >>>>> Congratulations, Matthew!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>> -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Subject: CSG Position on Board Seat 14
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 12:38:53 -0400
> >>>>> From: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
> >>>>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>>>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
> >>>>> Cc: "Wilson, Christopher" <cwilson at 21cf.com <mailto:cwilson at 21cf.com> <mailto:cwilson at 21cf.com <mailto:cwilson at 21cf.com>>>, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> <mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Tapani and Rafik,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The IPC, BC, and ISPCP have each deliberated regarding the current
> >>>>> candidates for the  NCPH-nominated Board seat.  The groups have conferred
> >>>>> and arrived at a common position.  Rather than nominating a candidate
> >>>>> chosen by (and possibly from) the CSG at this time, or supporting the
> >>>>> incumbent, the CSG constituencies choose to support Matthew Shears.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We believe there can be great value in nominating from within the
> >>>>> community. Matthew's efforts and contributions during the transition were
> >>>>> noticed by many in the CSG community.  Of course, there should be no
> >>>>> requirement that the nominee be from the community.  However, the level of
> >>>>> engagement with and understanding of the community that Matt brings will be
> >>>>> much welcomed.  We look forward to supporting Matt in his candidacy and on
> >>>>> the Board, and hope this sets a new paradigm for the NCPH seat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greg Shatan
> >>>>> on behalf of the CSG
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Greg Shatan *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:(917)%20816-6428>
> >>>>> S: gsshatan
> >>>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428 <tel:(646)%20845-9428>
> >>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>
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