[NCSG-PC] CSG Position on Board Seat 14

Wed Apr 26 20:27:54 EEST 2017

hi,

except that if NOTA gets 8 you should throw out both candidates and try
again.

which won't happen.

avri

On 26-Apr-17 10:12, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> In this case the requirement of 8 votes for getting elected
> makes NotA interpretation is unambiguous. :-)
>
> Tapani
>
>
> On Apr 26 16:04, William Drake (wjdrake at gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> Our dear friend NOTA!  Now which interpretation of this are we following…:-)
>>
>> BD
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 15:54, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah we should've had a proper process with discussion
>>> and all, but time is running out - deadline is 3 May.
>>>
>>> Suggestion:
>>>
>>> Let's have a vote with Matt and Markus and NotA on ballot,
>>> NCPH councillors (CSG, NCSG & NCA) voting, starting ASAP,
>>> vote to end by 2 May, 8 votes required for election.
>>>
>>> Any objections if I propose that to CSG?
>>>
>>> As to your question: CSG councillors vote as per their constituencies'
>>> decisions, and you can see those positions in Greg's mail I forwarded.
>>>
>>> Tapani
>>>
>>> On Apr 26 08:45, William Drake (wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Here’s another observer who thinks such things should be done through a proper process entailing a) internal discussion and then b) vote. 
>>>>
>>>> Question: do CSG Councilors just do whatever they like on this like us or are their positions agreed within their respective constituencies?  
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 00:39, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> Observer speaking,  but wanted to revive this thread. I agree with you that we should go to formal vote and include the NCA. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> with the response from CSG about their nomination, we should move forward in this process:
>>>>> - we agreed previously to nominate Mathew and Markus as candidates from NCSG. I think we can confirm that and send the names to CSG.
>>>>> - we have to agree on the process for this time: running. I think we rejected before any kind of negotiation to agree on candidate and we insisted on having a vote anyway. 
>>>>>
>>>>> copying here what was suggested from Greg:
>>>>>
>>>>> "1.  If it's possible for the NCSG to come up with a unified view on this topic, and if that view is the same as CSG, Matthew could be nominated by acclamation, without the need for a vote or a call.
>>>>> 2.  If that's not possible, then we can do either:
>>>>> (a) a call to either (i) see if a nomination can be resolved on the call, or (ii) to resolve the process from this point forward.
>>>>> (b) an election, but then we need to decide who is voting, and under what terms.
>>>>> "
>>>>> I don't see any harm to have a call but I think we should go to formal vote regardless of that and we need to include Julf as NCA to NCPH. 
>>>>> agreeing on a long-term process seems unattainable goal but we still have to try to make it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> comments and suggestions are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-04-25 2:25 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>>:
>>>>> Congratulations, Matthew!
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>> -----
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: CSG Position on Board Seat 14
>>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 12:38:53 -0400
>>>>> From: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>>
>>>>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>>>, "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>> Cc: "Wilson, Christopher" <cwilson at 21cf.com <mailto:cwilson at 21cf.com> <mailto:cwilson at 21cf.com <mailto:cwilson at 21cf.com>>>, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> <mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Tapani and Rafik,
>>>>>
>>>>> The IPC, BC, and ISPCP have each deliberated regarding the current
>>>>> candidates for the  NCPH-nominated Board seat.  The groups have conferred
>>>>> and arrived at a common position.  Rather than nominating a candidate
>>>>> chosen by (and possibly from) the CSG at this time, or supporting the
>>>>> incumbent, the CSG constituencies choose to support Matthew Shears.
>>>>>
>>>>> We believe there can be great value in nominating from within the
>>>>> community. Matthew's efforts and contributions during the transition were
>>>>> noticed by many in the CSG community.  Of course, there should be no
>>>>> requirement that the nominee be from the community.  However, the level of
>>>>> engagement with and understanding of the community that Matt brings will be
>>>>> much welcomed.  We look forward to supporting Matt in his candidacy and on
>>>>> the Board, and hope this sets a new paradigm for the NCPH seat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Shatan
>>>>> on behalf of the CSG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Greg Shatan *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:(917)%20816-6428>
>>>>> S: gsshatan
>>>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428 <tel:(646)%20845-9428>
>>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>>>
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