[PC-NCSG] Fwd: Re: GNSO Vice Chair selection

[Stephanie Perrin]

In my view we need clarity about the options.

Stephanie


On 2016-11-03 23:46, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> CSG replied to our proposal about VC election, mostly agreeing
> otherwise but not on the NCA-as-final-fallback idea.
>
> But they didn't offer any alternative for what should happen
> if even 3rd offer from the other SG is rejected.
>
>
>
> Dear Tapani,
>
> thanks for your reply from 21 October where you've accepted most of the points suggested by our Stakeholder Group.
> We've only little concern with some of the points you added:
>
> to 8. the total number of nominations should be limited to 3 meaning 2 re-nominations at maximum
> to 9. and 11. nomination of the NCA as Vice Chair could be one option but shouldn't be a must. This is reflected in the slghtly amended 11.
>
> Our suggested amendment (in red):
>
> <<
> 1. Vice Chairs would serve one-year terms.
>
> 2. The first-term Vice Chair would presumptively serve a second one-year term, but would be subject to review and consent by the other SG after the first term.
>
> 3. Review and consent by the other SG after the first term could result in a rejection of the sitting Vice Chair, but there would need to be extraordinary reasons for this rejection.
>
> 4. If a Vice Chair does not serve a second term (whether by rejection or for any other reason), that Vice Chair's SG would nominate a candidate for the upcoming term, but that Vice Chair would presumptively serve only one one-year term. The new candidate would be subject to review and approval by the other SG.
>
> 5. After two years with one SG, the Vice Chair-ship would be offered as a first nomination to the "non-incumbent" SG.
>
> 6. The "non-incumbent" SG would nominate a candidate for review and approval by the first SG, probably through a "listening tour" process.
>
> 7. While there would be a presumption in favor of the candidate of the "non-incumbent" SG, both SGs and the NCA allocated to the NCPH have to approve the candidate.
>
> 8. If approval is not achieved, the "non-incumbent" SG would nominate another candidate, up to three two additional times if necessary.
>
> 9. If approval is not achieved even after three re-nominations, the NCA would become Vice Chair.
>
> 10. In case either SG member becomes the Chair of GNSO, the other SG would get to select Vice Chair. It would not affect rotation after the Chair passes on to the CPH again, presumptive Vice Chair turn would go to whichever SG did not hold Vice Chair before.
>
> 11. If SGs agree to nominate the NCA as Vice Chair or the NCA become Vice Chair as per 9 above, the presumptive rotation would continue after her or his term as if it hadn't happened.
> We would appreciate acceptance by the NCSG and remain open for further discussion in particular during our bilateral meeting in Hyderabad.
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> From: Tapani Tarvainen
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 5:31 PM
> To: WUKnoben
> Subject: GNSO Vice Chair selection
>
> Dear Wolf-Ulrich,
>
> My apologies for taking so long with this. Everybody has been so
> busy it's been difficult to get anything done quickly.
>
> I don't have anything on the board member selection process yet,
> this is only about Vice Chair selection now.
>
> As I said during the call, our main issues with your proposal were
>
> (1) it left it too easy to break the consensus process - there
> should be stronger incentive to seek for consensus before
> falling back to "anybody can nominate..."
>
> (2) there was no mention of what would happen to the rotation
> in case NCPH gets the Chair or if the NCA is elected as Vice Chair.
>
> Below is an attempt to address these concerns. Steps 1-7 are
> unchanged from your text, 8-9 an attempt to address (1) above
> and 10-11 (2).
>
> Point 9 is perhaps a bit surprising, but the intent is to
> provide incentive to finding consensus by a default outcome
> that'd be sufficiently (but not too) undesirable.
>
> Please relay this to CSG ExCom and let me know what you think.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tapani
>
> ***
>
> 1. Vice Chairs would serve one-year terms.
>
> 2. The first-term Vice Chair would presumptively serve a second
> one-year term, but would be subject to review and consent by the other
> SG after the first term.
>
> 3. Review and consent by the other SG after the first term could
> result in a rejection of the sitting Vice Chair, but there would need
> to be extraordinary reasons for this rejection.
>
> 4. If a Vice Chair does not serve a second term (whether by rejection
> or for any other reason), that Vice Chair's SG would nominate a
> candidate for the upcoming term, but that Vice Chair would
> presumptively serve only one one-year term. The new candidate would be
> subject to review and approval by the other SG.
>
> 5. After two years with one SG, the Vice Chair-ship would be offered
> as a first nomination to the "non-incumbent" SG.
>
> 6. The "non-incumbent" SG would nominate a candidate for review and
> approval by the first SG, probably through a "listening tour" process.
>
> 7. While there would be a presumption in favor of the candidate of the
> "non-incumbent" SG, both SGs and the NCA allocated to the NCPH have to
> approve the candidate.
>
> 8. If approval is not achieved, the "non-incumbent" SG would nominate
> another candidate, up to three times if necessary.
>
> 9. If approval is not achieved even after three re-nominations,
> the NCA would become Vice Chair.
>
> 10. In case either SG member becomes the Chair of GNSO, the other SG
> would get to select Vice Chair. It would not affect rotation after the
> Chair passes on to the CPH again, presumptive Vice Chair turn would go
> to whichever SG did not hold Vice Chair before.
>
> 11. If SGs agree to nominate the NCA as Vice Chair or the NCA becomes
> Vice Chair as per 9 above, the presumptive rotation would continue
> after her or his term as if it hadn't happened.
>
>
>
>
> Dear Tapani,
> thanks for your reply from 21 October where you've accepted most of 
> the points suggested by our Stakeholder Group.
> We've only little concern with some of the points you added:
> to 8. the total number of nominations should be limited to 3 meaning 2 
> re-nominations at maximum
> to 9. and 11. nomination of the NCA as Vice Chair could be one option 
> but shouldn't be a must. This is reflected in the slghtly amended 11.
> Our suggested amendment (in red):
> <<
> 1. Vice Chairs would serve one-year terms.
> 2. The first-term Vice Chair would presumptively serve a second 
> one-year term, but would be subject to review and consent by the other 
> SG after the first term.
> 3. Review and consent by the other SG after the first term could 
> result in a rejection of the sitting Vice Chair, but there would need 
> to be extraordinary reasons for this rejection.
> 4. If a Vice Chair does not serve a second term (whether by rejection 
> or for any other reason), that Vice Chair's SG would nominate a 
> candidate for the upcoming term, but that Vice Chair would 
> presumptively serve only one one-year term. The new candidate would be 
> subject to review and approval by the other SG.
> 5. After two years with one SG, the Vice Chair-ship would be offered 
> as a first nomination to the "non-incumbent" SG.
> 6. The "non-incumbent" SG would nominate a candidate for review and 
> approval by the first SG, probably through a "listening tour" process.
> 7. While there would be a presumption in favor of the candidate of the 
> "non-incumbent" SG, both SGs and the NCA allocated to the NCPH have to 
> approve the candidate.
> 8. If approval is not achieved, the "non-incumbent" SG would nominate 
> another candidate, up to three two additional times if necessary.
> 9. If approval is not achieved even after three re-nominations, the 
> NCA would become Vice Chair.
> 10. In case either SG member becomes the Chair of GNSO, the other SG 
> would get to select Vice Chair. It would not affect rotation after the 
> Chair passes on to the CPH again, presumptive Vice Chair turn would go 
> to whichever SG did not hold Vice Chair before.
> 11. If SGs agree to nominate the NCA as Vice Chairor the NCA become 
> Vice Chair as per 9 above, the presumptive rotation would continue 
> after her or his term as if it hadn't happened.
> >>
> We would appreciate acceptance by the NCSG and remain open for further 
> discussion in particular during our bilateral meeting in Hyderabad.
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> From: Tapani Tarvainen
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 5:31 PM
> To: WUKnoben
> Subject: GNSO Vice Chair selection
> Dear Wolf-Ulrich,
> My apologies for taking so long with this. Everybody has been so
> busy it's been difficult to get anything done quickly.
> I don't have anything on the board member selection process yet,
> this is only about Vice Chair selection now.
> As I said during the call, our main issues with your proposal were
> (1) it left it too easy to break the consensus process - there
> should be stronger incentive to seek for consensus before
> falling back to "anybody can nominate..."
> (2) there was no mention of what would happen to the rotation
> in case NCPH gets the Chair or if the NCA is elected as Vice Chair.
> Below is an attempt to address these concerns. Steps 1-7 are
> unchanged from your text, 8-9 an attempt to address (1) above
> and 10-11 (2).
> Point 9 is perhaps a bit surprising, but the intent is to
> provide incentive to finding consensus by a default outcome
> that'd be sufficiently (but not too) undesirable.
> Please relay this to CSG ExCom and let me know what you think.
> Regards,
> Tapani
> ***
> 1. Vice Chairs would serve one-year terms.
> 2. The first-term Vice Chair would presumptively serve a second
> one-year term, but would be subject to review and consent by the other
> SG after the first term.
> 3. Review and consent by the other SG after the first term could
> result in a rejection of the sitting Vice Chair, but there would need
> to be extraordinary reasons for this rejection.
> 4. If a Vice Chair does not serve a second term (whether by rejection
> or for any other reason), that Vice Chair's SG would nominate a
> candidate for the upcoming term, but that Vice Chair would
> presumptively serve only one one-year term. The new candidate would be
> subject to review and approval by the other SG.
> 5. After two years with one SG, the Vice Chair-ship would be offered
> as a first nomination to the "non-incumbent" SG.
> 6. The "non-incumbent" SG would nominate a candidate for review and
> approval by the first SG, probably through a "listening tour" process.
> 7. While there would be a presumption in favor of the candidate of the
> "non-incumbent" SG, both SGs and the NCA allocated to the NCPH have to
> approve the candidate.
> 8. If approval is not achieved, the "non-incumbent" SG would nominate
> another candidate, up to three times if necessary.
> 9. If approval is not achieved even after three re-nominations,
> the NCA would become Vice Chair.
> 10. In case either SG member becomes the Chair of GNSO, the other SG
> would get to select Vice Chair. It would not affect rotation after the
> Chair passes on to the CPH again, presumptive Vice Chair turn would go
> to whichever SG did not hold Vice Chair before.
> 11. If SGs agree to nominate the NCA as Vice Chair or the NCA becomes
> Vice Chair as per 9 above, the presumptive rotation would continue
> after her or his term as if it hadn't happened.
> -- 
> Tapani Tarvainen
>
>
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