[PC-NCSG] [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what we all have time for
Avri Doria
avri
Fri Aug 7 03:53:06 EEST 2015
Hi,
Think about it mathematically, you will see that picking preferences
does not necessarily eliminate the most despised. I argue that the
reason we can never achieve agreement with our sisters in CSG is that we
pick our favorite, who may their most hated, and they pick their
favorite who may our most hated, and then we run the two most hated
against each other. and then are oh so surprised when we cannot reach
agreement.
So lets get rid of the non starters from the start.
avri
On 06-Aug-15 10:25, Sam Lanfranco wrote:
> Avri,
>
> I agree with rejecting the "totally unacceptable" but I don't see how
> a vote on preferences
> would fail to boot that candidate off the list. The top of the "don't
> like" vote should be the
> bottom of the "like vote", or am I missing something other than a
> chance to whack a bad
> candidate before going on to select a good one.
>
> Sam
>
> On 06/08/2015 7:09 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think the amendment is unfortunate as id does not really consider the
>> proposal that was offered and the advantage of everyone first voicing
>> the candidate that would be totally unacceptable - the elephant that is
>> always in the room with us.
>>
>> But since we operate by rough consensus, my opposition should not be
>> significant.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 06-Aug-15 04:25, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> so I can assume that we are ok with small amendment proposed by CSG?
>>> looking to hear from other so I can respond to Steve.
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2015-07-26 6:10 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz
>>> <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>:
>>>
>>> Hi ? I also agree
>>>
>>> Joy
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*PC-NCSG [mailto:pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org
>>> <mailto:pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org>] *On Behalf Of *Marilia
>>> Maciel
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 24 July 2015 12:21 a.m.
>>> *To:* Rafik Dammak
>>> *Cc:* NCSG-Policy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [PC-NCSG] [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair
>>> election - just what we all have time for
>>>
>>>
>>> Also agree.
>>>
>>> Mar?lia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> it sounds a fair request, CSG conducted such interviews for
>>> candidates for previous elections.
>>>
>>>
>>> @everyone is there any objection or suggestion? we should respond
>>> soon ,
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-07-19 22:55 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>>>
>>> sounds reasonable to me...but I am perhaps not suffficiently
>>> exercise on this issue.
>>> cheers SP
>>>
>>> On 2015-07-19 9:21, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Also fine by me. Perhaps also formalise the option to interview
>>> the candidate? If I recall correctly, they held a call with David
>>> prior to agreeing to him as a VC. This is only a suggestion. It
>>> may (or may not) come in handy at some point.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Amr
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:17 PM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fine by me.
>>>
>>> BD
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> You will found below the comments from CSG to Avri
>>> counter-proposal regarding VC chair process. they will accept it
>>> and offering an amendment.
>>> can you please review so we can move forward with this issue. the
>>> VC chair election is coming soon.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>
>>> Date: 2015-07-14 7:54 GMT+09:00
>>> Subject: RE: FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election -
>>> just what we all have time for
>>> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>
>>> This was discussed by the CSG Executive Committee last
>>> week, and
>>> we are prepared to accept the counter-proposal with one change.
>>> We did not understand why the first round was structured as a
>>> ?vote against round, i.e., a voting procedure where everyone votes
>>> for the candidate they would like to see least in the role.? We
>>> think the same objective could be achieved by a conventional
>>> voting procedure, with the top two (or more in case of a tie) vote
>>> getters proceeding to the second round.
>>>
>>> With that change we are prepared to move toward setting a
>>> schedule
>>> for the vice chair election (i.e., a deadline for nominations,
>>> acceptances, and scheduling of the rounds). Please let me know if
>>> NCSG will accept this relatively minor change so we can move to
>>> the next step
>>>
>>> The CSG Executive Committee also wished to convey that
>>> while we
>>> are prepared to accept this approach for this year, our proposal
>>> form last January remains on the table in order to provide a
>>> permanent solution through rotation of nominations.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your response.
>>>
>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:55 PM
>>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>> Subject: Re: FW: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election -
>>> just what we all have time for
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> thanks for the email, yes it can be considered as a
>>> counter-proposal to be discussed. definitely we have to solve
>>> before the coming soon VC election.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2015-07-07 2:14 GMT+09:00 Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com
>>> <mailto:met at msk.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>
>>> I hope this finds you well and fully recovered from
>>> travel to
>>> Buenos Aires.
>>>
>>> As you may recall, NCSG participants in in the January
>>> intersessional in Washington committed to providing a
>>> counter-proposal by the end of the Singapore meeting to the CSG
>>> proposal on election procedures going forward for the vice chair
>>> slot. The rest of the CSG leadership asked me to check with you
>>> on whether Avri?s text at the link below is in fact the
>>> counter-proposal from NCSG, and if not, when we could expect to
>>> receive one. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Steve Metalitz , for CSG Executive Committee
>>>
>>> From: gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces at icann.org
>>> <mailto:gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces at icann.org>
>>> [mailto:gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces at icann.org
>>> <mailto:gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:42 AM
>>> To: gnso-ncph-leadership at icann.org
>>> <mailto:gnso-ncph-leadership at icann.org>
>>> Subject: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] NCPH v-chair election - just what
>>> we all have time for
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sometime in February, I created this first version of a simple
>>> procedure
>>> for NCPH election of a v-chair. I gave this to Rafik and David.
>>> David
>>> was unhappy with it, and then I got distracted and further work
>>> just
>>> stalled.
>>>
>>> So here we are, one meeting away from needing to elect a new
>>> v-chair.
>>> While knowing that no one but me thinks this is a possible way
>>> to go,
>>> here it is to beat on.
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zpkznZGutvze0hI4BLePoaZWoqLWhioq-tjwVKCiyqs/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>
>>> The doc is open for comments and suggested changes by anyone
>>> with the
>>> URL. At the moment Rakif, David and I am the only editors, but
>>> more
>>> than happy to add SG/C others, all you need to do is let me
>>> know what
>>> email/login you use for editing drive docs. The editors would
>>> be the
>>> ones to accept the changes - I don't want to presume to do so -
>>> except
>>> of course for typos, which I will gladly accept. Note, however,
>>> you do
>>> not need to have edit priviledge to suggest changes, and I
>>> recommend
>>> that even those with editor priviledge use suggest mode to suggest
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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