[PC-NCSG] discussion re a number of privacy matters
joy
joy
Tue May 6 11:49:01 EEST 2014
Hi Stephanie and all,
I can also help the concept note and reaching out to Privacy
International, Global Partners and others. I will not be attending the
ICANN London meeting, but happy to help in other ways. I also think
coordinating messages across the whole of the agenda, so that the key
points we want to take forward are put up in each meeting, can help.
Joy
On 6/05/2014 8:44 p.m., Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Marilia, Stephanie,
>
> for the meeting room, I think that I can request that to ICANN staff ,
> at least it can be placeholder and we can know if we need plan B just
> in case. I will do that as NCSG related meeting (as I did for other
> sessions but I dunno about the size of room we can get)since the
> window of time to request is short. date and time matters too to
> avoid clash with main sessions.
>
> the concept note or briefing is something overdue and we promised it
> previously to Fadi and board, good opportunity to make it now.
> Stephanie already outlined several aspect in strawman document as
> follow-up the discussion in Singapore.
>
> we can have this convening group with article19 , privacy
> international , NCSG/NCUC/NPOC. for ALAC, I am not sure about the
> level of common ground regarding privacy issues. yes for some GAC
> members support, same for Article 29 WG.
>
> can I assume that you are volunteering to make the bootstrapping of
> such effort :)? I will be happy to provide support.
>
> Rafik
>
> 2014-05-05 23:34 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com
> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>:
>
> Yes, London is approaching. Shall we make this happen? Throwing
> some ideas of possible next steps:
> - Write a concise concept note explaining what are the issues
> related to privacy that deserve attention in ICANN at this moment
> and what is at stake (Steph, I am sure you have something that we
> could adjust)
> - Put together a small coalition of convenors of the meeting. ex:
> Article 19, Privacy International, Global Partners and ICANN
> internal groups that may support it (NCUC, NPOC, ALAC...). Maybe
> seek for the support of some GAC members? Brazil and Germany seem
> like good candidates for that.
> - Contact ICANN staff for to explore the possibility of addition
> to the agenda. Global Partners headquarters are in London. Maybe
> they have an idea of an alternative location if it does not fly
> with staff.
> - Agenda and invitations. Data comissioners, activists,
> academics... We need this very soon
> - Website. Keep it simple and sweet but announce.
>
> Anyway, just sharing some initial ideas. What do you think? I am
> willing to work on that with others.
> Best
> Mar?lia
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Marilia,
>
> I met Alexandrine at the academic event too, and she is
> definitely open to know more about what is going on ICANN in
> privacy front.
>
> London meeting is in few weeks!
>
> Rafik
>
> On May 5, 2014 4:35 AM, "Marilia Maciel"
> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Stephanie and all,
>
> The event about privacy is a very good idea. It does not
> have to be big, but it should create buzz and be fed
> whenever possible into London discussions, specially the
> open session. By the way, I met Alexandrine Pirlot from
> Privacy International in Net Mundial and she said they
> were interested to know in more detail what is at stake
> right now in ICANN regarding privacy discussions and
> participate. Did you talk to her too, Stephanie?
>
> There are also discussions about making privacy one of the
> key themes for IGF maybe with a specific event.The idea is
> still maturing, but something will probably be raised in
> the next Open Consultations (19-21 May). We should take
> advantage of the momentum and help to make it bigger on
> ICANN's front, join forces.
>
> Recovered from a post-Net Mundial burn out, I am back into
> action, so count on me to help.
>
> Mar?lia
>
>
> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Robin Gross
> <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>
> Thanks very much, Stephanie! I haven't been able to
> keep up with online discussions in the last couple of
> days cause I'm visiting family in Utah, but was really
> glad to see your suggestion that we meet with data
> commissioners in London cause I had the same thought
> and last Monday sent Article 29WP a note to see who
> was coming and what we could organize to meet with
> them. I have not received a reply from A29, but want
> to continue to pursue this meeting with data
> commissioners in London when I get back to SF in a
> couple days. So count me in on helping to pull this
> together. If you know any specific commissioners or
> other experts to pull in, please do so. Let's find
> a few and see what we can come up with. Even if ICANN
> doesn't give us a room, we can still get one by other
> means, I'm sure.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
> On May 3, 2014, at 1:12 AM, William Drake wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would definitely support some sort of privacy
>> meeting happening. I don't know if it's possible at
>> this late stage to ask for a slot in the regular
>> program, but we could inquire. It's not a matter of
>> ICANN doing it, we could organize, they just provide
>> the room. If that's just not possible we could try
>> doing something "off campus" in town, but this
>> usually proves very difficult because of schedule
>> density and commitments, hard to ask people to leave
>> the building for several hours.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On May 3, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Stephanie Perrin
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have noticed that some stakeholders just show up
>>> at an ICANN meeting (Singapore, Buenos Aires) and
>>> demand a meeting with the EWG. (e.g.. Interpol)
>>> I have repeatedly (as others have) suggested meeting
>>> with data commissioners. I think the thing to do
>>> for the London meeting, is engineer a meeting in
>>> town (possibly persuade Privacy International to
>>> hold a little workshop) and get them to invite a
>>> couple of solid data commissioners over, then bring
>>> the whole meeting to ICANN for the open mike
>>> session, or any presentation we might hold as EWG.
>>> There is no point in getting ICANN to do it, they
>>> don't want to.They will offer to send Nigel Hickson
>>> in to talk to them. I like Nigel, but having him go
>>> see them does not move the yardsticks on this.
>>> We also need support on the secure credentials
>>> thing....so we could use some folks who are
>>> interested in that. (by the way, my emails to David
>>> Cake are bouncing any idea why??) I would love to
>>> get Ross Anderson there, so I will reach out to him,
>>> maybe even Caspar Bowden might help. He understands
>>> U-prove well.
>>> This is all I meant by ambush....get our own people
>>> there.
>>> cheers sp
>>> On May 2, 2014, at 11:45 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> what do you mean by ambush meeting :)?
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-05-02 21:58 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin
>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Amr! Be ready! We need to invite some
>>>> data commissioners to the London meeting, we
>>>> need to have an ambush meeting. More later...
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> > On May 2, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Amr Elsadr
>>>> <aelsadr at egyptig.org
>>>> <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hey Stephanie,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for sticking with it!! I can imagine
>>>> what kind of output would be coming out of the
>>>> EWG if you weren't actively participating in
>>>> it, and I doubt it would have been any good. :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Amr
>>>> >
>>>> >> On May 2, 2014, at 2:46 AM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi folks, when do we have the next policy
>>>> meeting? there are a number of privacy issues
>>>> looming which I would like to put on the
>>>> agenda, notably:
>>>> >> * the imminent release of the whois
>>>> report, and what response will be needed
>>>> >> * the completion of the criticism of the
>>>> privacy policy
>>>> >> * the preparation of a response to the
>>>> secure protected credentials
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I must say that I am extremely frustrated,
>>>> at this moment in time, with my experience on
>>>> this committee. It has been 14 long and
>>>> difficult months, and I feel like I have made
>>>> no progress with the intractable attitudes of
>>>> some of the team. This is interesting for my
>>>> research, less so for my general sense of
>>>> wellbeing and joie de vivre. However, I
>>>> suppose we are near the end. I do hope we are
>>>> able to catch this report and move the good
>>>> bits forward and the bad bits backwards.
>>>> >> cheers stephanie
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