[PC-NCSG] discussion re a number of privacy matters

Tue May 6 11:44:12 EEST 2014

Hi Marilia, Stephanie,

for the meeting room, I think that I can request that to ICANN staff , at
least it can be placeholder and we can know if we need plan B  just in
case. I will do that  as NCSG related meeting (as I did for other sessions
but I dunno about the size of room we can get)since the window of time to
request is short.  date and time matters too to avoid clash with main
sessions.

the concept note or briefing is something overdue and we promised it
previously to Fadi and board, good opportunity to make it now. Stephanie
already outlined several aspect in strawman document as follow-up the
discussion in Singapore.

we can have this convening group  with article19 , privacy international ,
NCSG/NCUC/NPOC. for ALAC, I am not sure about the level of common ground
regarding privacy issues. yes for some GAC members support, same for
Article 29 WG.

can I assume that you are volunteering to make the bootstrapping of such
effort :)? I will be happy to provide support.

Rafik

2014-05-05 23:34 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>:

> Yes, London is approaching. Shall we make this happen? Throwing some ideas
> of possible next steps:
> - Write a concise concept note explaining what are the issues related to
> privacy that deserve attention in ICANN at this moment and what is at stake
> (Steph, I am sure you have something that we could adjust)
> - Put together a small coalition of convenors of the meeting. ex: Article
> 19, Privacy International, Global Partners and ICANN internal groups that
> may support it (NCUC, NPOC, ALAC...). Maybe seek for the support of some
> GAC members? Brazil and Germany seem like good candidates for that.
> - Contact ICANN staff for to explore the possibility of addition to the
> agenda. Global Partners headquarters are in London. Maybe they have an idea
> of an alternative location if it does not fly with staff.
>  - Agenda and invitations. Data comissioners, activists, academics... We
> need this very soon
> - Website. Keep it simple and sweet but announce.
>
> Anyway, just sharing some initial ideas. What do you think? I am willing
> to work on that with others.
> Best
> Mar?lia
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Marilia,
>>
>> I met Alexandrine at the academic event too, and she is definitely open
>> to know more about what is going on ICANN in privacy front.
>>
>> London meeting is in few weeks!
>>
>> Rafik
>> On May 5, 2014 4:35 AM, "Marilia Maciel" <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie and all,
>>>
>>> The event about privacy is a very good idea. It does not have to be big,
>>> but it should create buzz and be fed whenever possible into London
>>> discussions, specially the open session. By the way, I met Alexandrine
>>> Pirlot from Privacy International in Net Mundial and she said they were
>>> interested to know in more detail what is at stake right now in ICANN
>>> regarding privacy discussions and participate. Did you talk to her too,
>>> Stephanie?
>>>
>>> There are also discussions about making privacy one of the key themes
>>> for IGF maybe with a specific event.The idea is still maturing, but
>>> something will probably be raised in the next Open Consultations (19-21
>>> May). We should take advantage of the momentum and help to make it bigger
>>> on ICANN's front, join forces.
>>>
>>> Recovered from a post-Net Mundial burn out, I am back into action, so
>>> count on me to help.
>>>
>>> Mar?lia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks very much, Stephanie!  I haven't been able to keep up with
>>>> online discussions in the last couple of days cause I'm visiting family in
>>>> Utah, but was really glad to see your suggestion that we meet with data
>>>> commissioners in London cause I had the same thought and last Monday sent
>>>> Article 29WP a note to see who was coming and what we could organize to
>>>> meet with them.  I have not received a reply from A29, but want to continue
>>>> to pursue this meeting with data commissioners in London when I get back to
>>>> SF in a couple days.  So count me in on helping to pull this together. If
>>>> you know any specific commissioners or other experts to pull in, please do
>>>> so.    Let's find a few and see what we can come up with.  Even if ICANN
>>>> doesn't give us a room, we can still get one by other means, I'm sure.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 1:12 AM, William Drake wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I would definitely support some sort of privacy meeting happening.  I
>>>> don?t know if it?s possible at this late stage to ask for a slot in the
>>>> regular program, but we could inquire. It?s not a matter of ICANN doing it,
>>>> we could organize, they just provide the room.  If that?s just not possible
>>>> we could try doing something ?off campus? in town, but this usually proves
>>>> very difficult because of schedule density and commitments, hard to ask
>>>> people to leave the building for several hours.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On May 3, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Stephanie Perrin <
>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that some stakeholders just show up at an ICANN meeting
>>>> (Singapore, Buenos Aires) and demand a meeting with the EWG.  (e.g..
>>>> Interpol)
>>>> I have repeatedly (as others have) suggested meeting with data
>>>> commissioners.  I think the thing to do for the London meeting, is engineer
>>>> a meeting in town (possibly persuade Privacy International to hold a little
>>>> workshop) and get them to invite a couple of solid data commissioners over,
>>>> then bring the whole meeting to ICANN for the open mike session, or any
>>>> presentation we might hold as EWG.  There is no point in getting ICANN to
>>>> do it, they don?t want to.They will offer to send Nigel Hickson in to talk
>>>> to them.  I like Nigel, but having him go see them does not move the
>>>> yardsticks on this.
>>>> We also need support on the secure credentials thing?.so we could use
>>>> some folks who are interested in that. (by the way, my emails to David Cake
>>>> are bouncing any idea why??)  I would love to get Ross Anderson there, so I
>>>> will reach out to him, maybe even Caspar Bowden might help.  He understands
>>>> U-prove well.
>>>> This is all I meant by ambush?.get our own people there.
>>>> cheers sp
>>>> On May 2, 2014, at 11:45 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> what do you mean by ambush meeting :)?
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-05-02 21:58 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Amr!  Be ready!  We need to invite some data commissioners to
>>>>> the London meeting, we need to have an ambush meeting.  More later...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> > On May 2, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hey Stephanie,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks for sticking with it!! I can imagine what kind of output
>>>>> would be coming out of the EWG if you weren?t actively participating in it,
>>>>> and I doubt it would have been any good. :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Amr
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On May 2, 2014, at 2:46 AM, Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi folks, when do we have the next policy meeting?  there are a
>>>>> number of privacy issues looming which I would like to put on the agenda,
>>>>> notably:
>>>>> >> *    the imminent release of the whois report, and what response
>>>>> will be needed
>>>>> >> *    the completion of the criticism of the privacy policy
>>>>> >> *    the preparation of a response to the secure protected
>>>>> credentials
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I must say that I am extremely frustrated, at this moment in time,
>>>>> with my experience on this committee.  It has been  14 long and difficult
>>>>> months, and I feel like I have made no progress with the intractable
>>>>> attitudes of some of the team.  This is interesting for my research, less
>>>>> so for my general sense of wellbeing and joie de vivre.  However, I suppose
>>>>> we are near the end.  I do hope we are able to catch this report and move
>>>>> the good bits forward and the bad bits backwards.
>>>>> >> cheers stephanie
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>>> Pesquisadora Gestora
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>>>
>>> Researcher and Coordinator
>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
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> Pesquisadora Gestora
> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>
> Researcher and Coordinator
> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
>
> DiploFoundation associate
> www.diplomacy.edu
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