[PC-NCSG] board candidate

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin
Sun Mar 23 06:56:41 EET 2014


Does this process make the multistakeholder, bottom up consensus deal a dead duck?  If so, worth pointing out at this inflection point in time when folks profess to care...
On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:35 AM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

> I agree with Amr's conclusions and suggestions for moving forward.  WE gotta stop letting CSG push us around, even if it is the easiest thing to do.  
> 
> Robin
> 
> On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:23 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The charter gives the PC the responsibility to do selections for functions.
>> 
>> The charter also gives the EC the duty to create processes, if it so desires. The absence of a EC formal determined policy, the PC gets to do stuff by rough consensus as the charter indicates.
>> 
>> Discussion until rough consensus IS a process.  In some organizations it is the ONLY process.
>> 
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> 
>> On 23-Mar-14 11:38, Rudi Vansnick wrote:
>>> Thanks Maria for the clarification. I think it would be good if we could
>>> make it an official process to avoid the discussions in the future.
>>> 
>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>> NPOC treasurer
>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>> 
>>> Op 23-jan.-2014, om 11:31 heeft Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Rudi,
>>>> 
>>>> It's the NCSG PC's job to elect or appoint people to roles so afaik
>>>> it's our job to sort this out.
>>>> 
>>>> m
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 23 March 2014 11:29, Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   dear all,
>>>> 
>>>>   reading through this mailexchanges it seems to me we are missing a
>>>>   well defined process (procedure). When looking into the NCSG
>>>>   charter I did not find immediately an answer to that question ? So
>>>>   can someone help me getting a text clarifying what the rights of
>>>>   NCSG are wrt the nomination process ?
>>>> 
>>>>   Rudi Vansnick
>>>>   NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>   NPOC treasurer
>>>>   rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>   Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16 <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>>   Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32 <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>>>>   www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
>>>> 
>>>>   Op 23-jan.-2014, om 11:16 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>>   <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>> 
>>>>>   Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Thanks for keeping the dialogue rolling.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   I think we have a few alternatives.  And we need to figure out
>>>>>   what the issues really is.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   A. Is the CSG so in love with BillG that they want him or nobody?
>>>>> 
>>>>>   B. Or is the CSG, or at least some of its leadership, so against
>>>>>   the rumored candidate, that they will do anything including
>>>>>   deadlock to keep her from getting onto the Board?
>>>>> 
>>>>>   I think the response we make depends on our analysis.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   We have a few alternative:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   - not field a nominee and then vote None of the above.  If we all
>>>>>   do that, we force the deadlock and take bill off the table.  this
>>>>>   probably won't work and and will reuslt in Bill wining with
>>>>>   partial support.  But a statement would be made.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   - pick a nominee
>>>>> 
>>>>>   -- Marie Laure wants to nominate Sam, and some have indicated a
>>>>>   desire to nominate me.  I assume Sam is willing and I remain
>>>>>   willing to be nominated.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   -- if B above is the case, that makes a case for picking someone
>>>>>   other than me.  Then again we need to determine whether all of
>>>>>   the NCSG voters would be willing to vote for Sam, or else this
>>>>>   would just work to confirm BillG on the first ballot.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   -- if A above is the case, we should pick the one who has the
>>>>>   best chance to picking off at least one of their voters in a
>>>>>   contest to see which block of voters breaks first.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Now, the NCSG is easier to break up than the CSG, since we do not
>>>>>   enforce party discipline. And some of us, don't think BillG is
>>>>>   all that bad and might be convinced tomorrow morning that he will
>>>>>   try harder i nhis next term.  I had a conversation with him the
>>>>>   other day and was convinced that on at least the NTIA /IANA issue
>>>>>   his mind is still open.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Just some random thoughts.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   avri
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   avri
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   On 23-Mar-14 10:47, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>   Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   We?re talking about this topic at today?s policy meeting, right?
>>>>>>   I just wanted to fwd my thoughts. I think, out of principle, we
>>>>>>   need to take a firm stand in this election. The CSG have
>>>>>>   informed us that we can either back their candidate or go into a
>>>>>>   deadlock. If we back down, it will be an unfortunate precedent,
>>>>>>   and will encourage the CSG to take this position repetitively.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Last time around, we had some Board appointed councillors, which
>>>>>>   we thankfully don?t have now. I know we?re scheduled to speak to
>>>>>>   Bill tomorrow morning, and I would have liked to meet him, but
>>>>>>   this should be a matter of principle. I hope we can reach a full
>>>>>>   consensus on this, and would appreciate hearing thoughts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Amr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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