[PC-NCSG] board candidate
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin
Sun Mar 23 06:56:41 EET 2014
Does this process make the multistakeholder, bottom up consensus deal a dead duck? If so, worth pointing out at this inflection point in time when folks profess to care...
On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:35 AM, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
> I agree with Amr's conclusions and suggestions for moving forward. WE gotta stop letting CSG push us around, even if it is the easiest thing to do.
>
> Robin
>
> On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:23 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The charter gives the PC the responsibility to do selections for functions.
>>
>> The charter also gives the EC the duty to create processes, if it so desires. The absence of a EC formal determined policy, the PC gets to do stuff by rough consensus as the charter indicates.
>>
>> Discussion until rough consensus IS a process. In some organizations it is the ONLY process.
>>
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 23-Mar-14 11:38, Rudi Vansnick wrote:
>>> Thanks Maria for the clarification. I think it would be good if we could
>>> make it an official process to avoid the discussions in the future.
>>>
>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>> NPOC treasurer
>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>
>>> Op 23-jan.-2014, om 11:31 heeft Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rudi,
>>>>
>>>> It's the NCSG PC's job to elect or appoint people to roles so afaik
>>>> it's our job to sort this out.
>>>>
>>>> m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 March 2014 11:29, Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> dear all,
>>>>
>>>> reading through this mailexchanges it seems to me we are missing a
>>>> well defined process (procedure). When looking into the NCSG
>>>> charter I did not find immediately an answer to that question ? So
>>>> can someone help me getting a text clarifying what the rights of
>>>> NCSG are wrt the nomination process ?
>>>>
>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16 <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32 <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
>>>>
>>>> Op 23-jan.-2014, om 11:16 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for keeping the dialogue rolling.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we have a few alternatives. And we need to figure out
>>>>> what the issues really is.
>>>>>
>>>>> A. Is the CSG so in love with BillG that they want him or nobody?
>>>>>
>>>>> B. Or is the CSG, or at least some of its leadership, so against
>>>>> the rumored candidate, that they will do anything including
>>>>> deadlock to keep her from getting onto the Board?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the response we make depends on our analysis.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a few alternative:
>>>>>
>>>>> - not field a nominee and then vote None of the above. If we all
>>>>> do that, we force the deadlock and take bill off the table. this
>>>>> probably won't work and and will reuslt in Bill wining with
>>>>> partial support. But a statement would be made.
>>>>>
>>>>> - pick a nominee
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Marie Laure wants to nominate Sam, and some have indicated a
>>>>> desire to nominate me. I assume Sam is willing and I remain
>>>>> willing to be nominated.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- if B above is the case, that makes a case for picking someone
>>>>> other than me. Then again we need to determine whether all of
>>>>> the NCSG voters would be willing to vote for Sam, or else this
>>>>> would just work to confirm BillG on the first ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- if A above is the case, we should pick the one who has the
>>>>> best chance to picking off at least one of their voters in a
>>>>> contest to see which block of voters breaks first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, the NCSG is easier to break up than the CSG, since we do not
>>>>> enforce party discipline. And some of us, don't think BillG is
>>>>> all that bad and might be convinced tomorrow morning that he will
>>>>> try harder i nhis next term. I had a conversation with him the
>>>>> other day and was convinced that on at least the NTIA /IANA issue
>>>>> his mind is still open.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just some random thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23-Mar-14 10:47, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We?re talking about this topic at today?s policy meeting, right?
>>>>>> I just wanted to fwd my thoughts. I think, out of principle, we
>>>>>> need to take a firm stand in this election. The CSG have
>>>>>> informed us that we can either back their candidate or go into a
>>>>>> deadlock. If we back down, it will be an unfortunate precedent,
>>>>>> and will encourage the CSG to take this position repetitively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last time around, we had some Board appointed councillors, which
>>>>>> we thankfully don?t have now. I know we?re scheduled to speak to
>>>>>> Bill tomorrow morning, and I would have liked to meet him, but
>>>>>> this should be a matter of principle. I hope we can reach a full
>>>>>> consensus on this, and would appreciate hearing thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amr
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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