[PC-NCSG] board candidate

Sun Mar 23 06:35:49 EET 2014

I agree with Amr's conclusions and suggestions for moving forward.  WE gotta stop letting CSG push us around, even if it is the easiest thing to do.  

Robin

On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:23 PM, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The charter gives the PC the responsibility to do selections for functions.
> 
> The charter also gives the EC the duty to create processes, if it so desires. The absence of a EC formal determined policy, the PC gets to do stuff by rough consensus as the charter indicates.
> 
> Discussion until rough consensus IS a process.  In some organizations it is the ONLY process.
> 
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 23-Mar-14 11:38, Rudi Vansnick wrote:
>> Thanks Maria for the clarification. I think it would be good if we could
>> make it an official process to avoid the discussions in the future.
>> 
>> Rudi Vansnick
>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>> NPOC treasurer
>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>> 
>> Op 23-jan.-2014, om 11:31 heeft Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
>> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> Hi Rudi,
>>> 
>>> It's the NCSG PC's job to elect or appoint people to roles so afaik
>>> it's our job to sort this out.
>>> 
>>> m
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23 March 2014 11:29, Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    dear all,
>>> 
>>>    reading through this mailexchanges it seems to me we are missing a
>>>    well defined process (procedure). When looking into the NCSG
>>>    charter I did not find immediately an answer to that question ? So
>>>    can someone help me getting a text clarifying what the rights of
>>>    NCSG are wrt the nomination process ?
>>> 
>>>    Rudi Vansnick
>>>    NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>    NPOC treasurer
>>>    rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>    Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16 <tel:%2B32%20%280%299%20329%2039%2016>
>>>    Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32 <tel:%2B32%20%280%29475%2028%2016%2032>
>>>    www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
>>> 
>>>    Op 23-jan.-2014, om 11:16 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>    <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>>>    Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>    Thanks for keeping the dialogue rolling.
>>>> 
>>>>    I think we have a few alternatives.  And we need to figure out
>>>>    what the issues really is.
>>>> 
>>>>    A. Is the CSG so in love with BillG that they want him or nobody?
>>>> 
>>>>    B. Or is the CSG, or at least some of its leadership, so against
>>>>    the rumored candidate, that they will do anything including
>>>>    deadlock to keep her from getting onto the Board?
>>>> 
>>>>    I think the response we make depends on our analysis.
>>>> 
>>>>    We have a few alternative:
>>>> 
>>>>    - not field a nominee and then vote None of the above.  If we all
>>>>    do that, we force the deadlock and take bill off the table.  this
>>>>    probably won't work and and will reuslt in Bill wining with
>>>>    partial support.  But a statement would be made.
>>>> 
>>>>    - pick a nominee
>>>> 
>>>>    -- Marie Laure wants to nominate Sam, and some have indicated a
>>>>    desire to nominate me.  I assume Sam is willing and I remain
>>>>    willing to be nominated.
>>>> 
>>>>    -- if B above is the case, that makes a case for picking someone
>>>>    other than me.  Then again we need to determine whether all of
>>>>    the NCSG voters would be willing to vote for Sam, or else this
>>>>    would just work to confirm BillG on the first ballot.
>>>> 
>>>>    -- if A above is the case, we should pick the one who has the
>>>>    best chance to picking off at least one of their voters in a
>>>>    contest to see which block of voters breaks first.
>>>> 
>>>>    Now, the NCSG is easier to break up than the CSG, since we do not
>>>>    enforce party discipline. And some of us, don't think BillG is
>>>>    all that bad and might be convinced tomorrow morning that he will
>>>>    try harder i nhis next term.  I had a conversation with him the
>>>>    other day and was convinced that on at least the NTIA /IANA issue
>>>>    his mind is still open.
>>>> 
>>>>    Just some random thoughts.
>>>> 
>>>>    avri
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    avri
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    On 23-Mar-14 10:47, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>    Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>>    We?re talking about this topic at today?s policy meeting, right?
>>>>>    I just wanted to fwd my thoughts. I think, out of principle, we
>>>>>    need to take a firm stand in this election. The CSG have
>>>>>    informed us that we can either back their candidate or go into a
>>>>>    deadlock. If we back down, it will be an unfortunate precedent,
>>>>>    and will encourage the CSG to take this position repetitively.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Last time around, we had some Board appointed councillors, which
>>>>>    we thankfully don?t have now. I know we?re scheduled to speak to
>>>>>    Bill tomorrow morning, and I would have liked to meet him, but
>>>>>    this should be a matter of principle. I hope we can reach a full
>>>>>    consensus on this, and would appreciate hearing thoughts.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Amr
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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