[PC-NCSG] URGENT: Pending NCSG Statements

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin
Mon Mar 10 19:45:52 EET 2014


I responded and I also did some of the drafting, so I feel a little self congratulatory, particularly since I wrote some of the chunks of the EWG report to which we are responding.  So my conscience is clear as a policy committee member, from a contribution side, but maybe not from a conflict of interest side :-)
Stephanie
On 2014-03-10, at 11:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Wow a genuine dressing down.  I'm impressed.
> 
> I think there is also a responsibility of the leaders of the group to get these things.  Wendy and I failed to achieve it when it was my turn, and was hoping the new guys would be better at it.
> 
> So which are the 3 that responded.  If you are going to use shame, you might as well use name.
> 
> Just to indicate where I am at, started reading one of them got confused. Asked a question  and then got sidetracked to other things.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> 
> On 10-Mar-14 11:41, Robin Gross wrote:
>> I can sympathize with frustration over needing to get comments in on
>> behalf of NCSG, but having inadequate engagement from the individual
>> representatives of NCSG PC to get the job done.
>> 
>> There are duties and responsibilities that come with being a
>> representative of the NCSG PC - including engaging in the process to get
>> comments in on behalf of our members.  That is what we members elect PC
>> representatives to do on our behalf.
>> 
>> If you are a NCSG PC representative, you have an affirmative obligation
>> to read and comment on drafts that the PC is asked to endorse.
>> 
>> If PC representatives are not able to meet the responsibilities of being
>> a representative on the NCSG PC, he or she should let the chair know, so
>> alternative arrangements can be made and members can be represented.  We
>> cannot go on with this low level of engagement from our PC.  It is not
>> fair to our members or those who did the drafting.
>> 
>> My 2 cents,
>> Robin
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Thanks to those who have responded and showed support for the
>>> statements. Unfortunately, we only got responses from three out of ten
>>> NCSG-PC members. I don?t believe this qualifies as ?rough consensus?
>>> as defined in the NCSG charter.
>>> 
>>> It?s rather a shame that NCSG members put their time into following
>>> these working groups and make an effort to draft comments when
>>> feedback is sought only to be ignored by the policy committee. I still
>>> believe it is important to submit the drafted comments, and so will
>>> seek endorsement by NCUC. I hope we have better luck with responses
>>> there than here.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Amr
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have already supported the P/P questionnaire, and the EWG response,
>>>> now I support the T&T position.  And thanks to all drafters!!!  the
>>>> work never stops?.
>>>> Stephanie
>>>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org
>>>> <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Rudi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?ve attached the three statements to this email, but unfortunately,
>>>>> we don?t have the luxury of waiting until we have an NCSG-PC call to
>>>>> review and submit them.The deadlines for these have already passed,
>>>>> and we?ve been asking for extensions for all of them. There has only
>>>>> been an update to one of them (Translation & Transliteration of
>>>>> Contact Information PDP WG) based on Kathy?s feedback on the
>>>>> NCSG-list. They?re the same comments Chris Dillon walked us through
>>>>> during the WG call yesterday. Could you and others please give
>>>>> feedback on this list?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Amr
>>>>> 
>>>>> <NCSG Response to T&T of Contact Info PDP WG Questions.doc>
>>>>> <NCSGResponsetoQuestionsfromProxyPrivacyAccrediationWG.docx
>>>>> (00629345).docx>
>>>>> <Comments of the NCSG to EWG Status Report March 2014.docx>
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at ISOC.BE
>>>>> <mailto:rudi.vansnick at ISOC.BE>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree we need to start do some work in NCSG-PC. Can we have a
>>>>>> link to the statements as they are today so we do not use wrong ones ?
>>>>>> I would call on the NCSG-PC chair to schedule an online meeting so
>>>>>> we can validate NCSG-PC positions on this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>>> NPOC treasurer
>>>>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>>>> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org/>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Op 7-mrt.-2014, om 12:16 heeft Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Amr,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thanks for the reminder, NCSG PC members should review and
>>>>>>> indicate their support or not to the statements. we have
>>>>>>> statements but they are waiting approval!
>>>>>>> I asked for extension for the PPSAI questionnaire but I don't
>>>>>>> think that we can take more than one week to respond.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2014-03-06 18:52 GMT+09:00 Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    I don?t enjoy nagging, but there are three statements
>>>>>>>    currently awaiting NCSG-PC endorsement:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    1. NCSG response to the Privacy and Proxy Services
>>>>>>>    Accreditation Issues PDP WG
>>>>>>>    2. NCSG response to the gTLD Registration Data Services EWG
>>>>>>>    status update report
>>>>>>>    3. NCSG response to the Translation and Transliteration of
>>>>>>>    Contact Information PDP WG
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    The response to the EWG can always be sent as an individual
>>>>>>>    statement endorsed by whoever cares to sign it, but the
>>>>>>>    responses to the two PDP WGs needs to be endorsed by either an
>>>>>>>    SO, an AC, a SG or a constituency. These are very important
>>>>>>>    statements that constitute the NCSG's official contribution to
>>>>>>>    PDP WGs, and it would be a shame if we don?t declare a
>>>>>>>    position on them only because we fail to endorse statements
>>>>>>>    already drafted.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    I urge you all to read through all three of the statements,
>>>>>>>    ask questions or suggest changes, then either indicate that
>>>>>>>    you support or don?t support them.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Note: There are still more requests for input pending that
>>>>>>>    have not yet been drafted including the Policy and
>>>>>>>    Implementation WG (a non-PDP WG) and the IRTP-D initial
>>>>>>>    report. Not sure if I missed any.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Amr
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