[PC-NCSG] CSG decision regarding our candidate
Klaus Stoll
klaus.stoll
Tue Jun 3 01:01:06 EEST 2014
Dear Rafik
Yes you are right, I did read the email wrong, it was Joy who said it, I
apologize.
Still the argument if mine stands and I think Sam deserves a vote.
Sorry again
Yours
Klaus
On 6/2/2014 10:40 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi Klaus,
>
> >
> >Was this then also "a poor use of our precious few resources?" (Rafik).
>
> It is not me who said that.
>
> Rafik
>
> >
> > On 6/2/2014 7:10 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Joy,
> >>
> >> for the end of game, it depends which election process we will
> agree with CSG , I suspect that they may suggest what they already
> proposed for next elections (when they thought we could elect a board
> member with the first 3 rounds), it seems more complex version of what
> Avri proposed
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Rafik
> >>
> >> 2014-06-02 14:22 GMT+09:00 joy <joy at apc.org <mailto:joy at apc.org>>:
> >>>
> >>> thanks for the updates - as Stephanie requests, yes, it would be
> good to
> >>> have reasons
> >>> Klaus, I also do not understand the rationale of proposing a candidate
> >>> that CSG has made clear they will not support - is this not a poor use
> >>> of our precious few resources?
> >>> meanwhile, any thoughts on the end game here?
> >>>
> >>> joy
> >>>
> >>> On 2/06/2014 5:20 a.m., Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> >>> > why not, did they give a reason?
> >>> > steph
> >>> > ________________________________________
> >>> > From: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org
> <mailto:pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org> <pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org
> <mailto:pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org>> on behalf of Amr Elsadr
> <aelsadr at egyptig.org <mailto:aelsadr at egyptig.org>>
> >>> > Sent: June 1, 2014 12:01 PM
> >>> > To: Avri Doria
> >>> > Cc: pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>
> >>> > Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] CSG decision regarding our candidate
> >>> >
> >>> > From what I can tell, the CSG have clearly indicated that they
> will not support Sam. Is there any reason to believe that there may be
> a splinter constituency within them that we don't know about?
> >>> >
> >>> > If not, I don't understand the rationale behind putting Sam up
> in a vote against a candidate of theirs. Klaus..., could you please
> elaborate on this?
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks.
> >>> >
> >>> > Amr
> >>> >
> >>> > Sent from mobile
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Perhaps he did not have a chance for stray votes, just as i
> never had a
> >>> >> chance to go up against NOTA in a third round. He was selected
> as the
> >>> >> compromise candidate and that did not work. Now we move on.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Yes, we disagree.
> >>> >> This is something the rest of the PC will have to weigh in on.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> avri
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On 01-Jun-14 16:53, Klaus Stoll wrote:
> >>> >>> Dear Colleagues
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> On 6/1/2014 2:44 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >>> >>>> Hi,
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I do not think that makes sense. We already know that he is
> not going
> >>> >>>> to get their votes.
> >>> >>> to get their votes.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I very strongly disagree with this! You had your chance to see
> if there
> >>> >>> are any stray votes, Sam has the same right to have a chance
> to collect
> >>> >>> stray votes. In fact I have a feeling that he might be able to
> pick 2
> >>> >>> votes up, he was well received by some.
> >>> >>>> First we need to come to a mutual decide that none of the
> previous
> >>> >>>> candidates are qualified to run.
> >>> >>> Agree, on the other side, why should we allow Bill to take the due
> >>> >>> process hostage?
> >>> >>>> Then CSG and NCSG pick 2 new candidates
> >>> >>> See above, much too early! Sam needs to have his day!
> >>> >>>> And we come up with a procedure that terminates - like the one i
> >>> >>>> suggested.
> >>> >>> We should discuss this, but nothing is agreed and decided!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Yours
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Klaus
> >>> >>>> avri
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> On 01-Jun-14 15:29, Klaus Stoll wrote:
> >>> >>>>> Dear Friends
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Greetings. We should be disappointed but not beaten. We
> should still put
> >>> >>>>> Sam up as a candidate and have one if not three round of
> votes on him.
> >>> >>>>> We might be n for a pleasant surprise.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Yours
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Klaus
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> On 5/30/2014 11:54 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>> >>>>>> Hi Everybody,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Steve Metalitz just informed me that CSG cannot support Sam
> candidate.
> >>> >>>>>> I am really for Sam and definitely don't like bringing
> those kind of
> >>> >>>>>> news.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> we shouldn't wait for CSG to come with proposals and we
> should be more
> >>> >>>>>> proactive in this regard.
> >>> >>>>>> first thing is to agree about deadline to elect board
> member to impose
> >>> >>>>>> some visibility. agree on election process. I don't know if
> they will
> >>> >>>>>> propose to meet in London but I would like the NCSG PC to
> work on that
> >>> >>>>>> before.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> looking to hear your comments.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Rafik
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> >>>>>> From: *Metalitz, Steven* <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>
> <mailto:met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Date: 2014-05-31 6:11 GMT+09:00
> >>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco Transcription
> - 19 May
> >>> >>>>>> 2014
> >>> >>>>>> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Rafik,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I wanted to let you know that on our call today, CSG
> concluded that we
> >>> >>>>>> cannot support Sam as a Board candidate at this time. We are
> >>> >>>>>> continuing to explore further options for moving forward.
> I will let
> >>> >>>>>> you know as soon as we have something further to propose.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Steve
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> *From:*Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>]
> >>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 9:56 PM
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> *To:* Metalitz, Steven
> >>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco
> Transcription - 19
> >>> >>>>>> May 2014
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Thanks Steve, so we will wait then for the final decision.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Rafik
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> 2014-05-24 4:01 GMT+09:00 Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com
> <mailto:met at msk.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>>:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Hi Rafik,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> We had a CSG leadership call on this today and are
> undertaking further
> >>> >>>>>> consultation within our constituencies on a couple of
> points. We are
> >>> >>>>>> to meet again next Friday.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Steve
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> *From:*Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>]
> >>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:56 PM
> >>> >>>>>> *To:* Metalitz, Steven
> >>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco
> Transcription - 19
> >>> >>>>>> May 2014
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Hi Steve,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> is it possible to know when CSG will respond to us about Sam
> >>> >>>>>> candidature?
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Best Regards,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Rafik
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> 2014-05-21 9:53 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Thanks Steve,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Rafik
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> 2014-05-21 4:36 GMT+09:00 Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com
> <mailto:met at msk.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>>:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Rafik,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> For circulation to NCSG.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Steve
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>>>>> From: Nathalie Peregrine
> [mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>>]
> >>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:48 AM
> >>> >>>>>> To: Rosette, Kristina; Metalitz, Steven; tony holmes
> >>> >>>>>> (tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>>); Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
> >>> >>>>>> (Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de
> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de
> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>>);
> >>> >>>>>> Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com
> <mailto:Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com
> <mailto:Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>>; marilynscade at hotmail.com
> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com
> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>>; harris at cabase.org.ar
> <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>
> >>> >>>>>> <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>>
> >>> >>>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
> >>> >>>>>> Subject: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco Transcription - 19
> May 2014
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Dear all,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Please find attached the transcript of the CSG call
> held with Sam
> >>> >>>>>> Lanfranco on May 19th 2014.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Kind regards
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Nathalie
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
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