[PC-NCSG] CSG decision regarding our candidate
Rafik Dammak
rafik.dammak
Tue Jun 3 00:40:18 EEST 2014
Hi Klaus,
>
>Was this then also "a poor use of our precious few resources?" (Rafik).
It is not me who said that.
Rafik
>
> On 6/2/2014 7:10 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joy,
>>
>> for the end of game, it depends which election process we will agree
with CSG , I suspect that they may suggest what they already proposed for
next elections (when they thought we could elect a board member with the
first 3 rounds), it seems more complex version of what Avri proposed
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-06-02 14:22 GMT+09:00 joy <joy at apc.org>:
>>>
>>> thanks for the updates - as Stephanie requests, yes, it would be good to
>>> have reasons
>>> Klaus, I also do not understand the rationale of proposing a candidate
>>> that CSG has made clear they will not support - is this not a poor use
>>> of our precious few resources?
>>> meanwhile, any thoughts on the end game here?
>>>
>>> joy
>>>
>>> On 2/06/2014 5:20 a.m., Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>> > why not, did they give a reason?
>>> > steph
>>> > ________________________________________
>>> > From: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org <pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org>
on behalf of Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org>
>>> > Sent: June 1, 2014 12:01 PM
>>> > To: Avri Doria
>>> > Cc: pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [PC-NCSG] CSG decision regarding our candidate
>>> >
>>> > From what I can tell, the CSG have clearly indicated that they will
not support Sam. Is there any reason to believe that there may be a
splinter constituency within them that we don't know about?
>>> >
>>> > If not, I don't understand the rationale behind putting Sam up in a
vote against a candidate of theirs. Klaus..., could you please elaborate on
this?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > Amr
>>> >
>>> > Sent from mobile
>>> >
>>> >> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps he did not have a chance for stray votes, just as i never
had a
>>> >> chance to go up against NOTA in a third round. He was selected as
the
>>> >> compromise candidate and that did not work. Now we move on.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, we disagree.
>>> >> This is something the rest of the PC will have to weigh in on.
>>> >>
>>> >> avri
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 01-Jun-14 16:53, Klaus Stoll wrote:
>>> >>> Dear Colleagues
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On 6/1/2014 2:44 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>> >>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I do not think that makes sense. We already know that he is not
going
>>> >>>> to get their votes.
>>> >>> to get their votes.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I very strongly disagree with this! You had your chance to see if
there
>>> >>> are any stray votes, Sam has the same right to have a chance to
collect
>>> >>> stray votes. In fact I have a feeling that he might be able to pick
2
>>> >>> votes up, he was well received by some.
>>> >>>> First we need to come to a mutual decide that none of the previous
>>> >>>> candidates are qualified to run.
>>> >>> Agree, on the other side, why should we allow Bill to take the due
>>> >>> process hostage?
>>> >>>> Then CSG and NCSG pick 2 new candidates
>>> >>> See above, much too early! Sam needs to have his day!
>>> >>>> And we come up with a procedure that terminates - like the one i
>>> >>>> suggested.
>>> >>> We should discuss this, but nothing is agreed and decided!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yours
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Klaus
>>> >>>> avri
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 01-Jun-14 15:29, Klaus Stoll wrote:
>>> >>>>> Dear Friends
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Greetings. We should be disappointed but not beaten. We should
still put
>>> >>>>> Sam up as a candidate and have one if not three round of votes on
him.
>>> >>>>> We might be n for a pleasant surprise.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Yours
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Klaus
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 5/30/2014 11:54 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Hi Everybody,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Steve Metalitz just informed me that CSG cannot support Sam
candidate.
>>> >>>>>> I am really for Sam and definitely don't like bringing those
kind of
>>> >>>>>> news.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> we shouldn't wait for CSG to come with proposals and we should
be more
>>> >>>>>> proactive in this regard.
>>> >>>>>> first thing is to agree about deadline to elect board member to
impose
>>> >>>>>> some visibility. agree on election process. I don't know if they
will
>>> >>>>>> propose to meet in London but I would like the NCSG PC to work
on that
>>> >>>>>> before.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> looking to hear your comments.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Rafik
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >>>>>> From: *Metalitz, Steven* <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>
>>> >>>>>> Date: 2014-05-31 6:11 GMT+09:00
>>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco Transcription - 19
May
>>> >>>>>> 2014
>>> >>>>>> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Rafik,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I wanted to let you know that on our call today, CSG concluded
that we
>>> >>>>>> cannot support Sam as a Board candidate at this time. We are
>>> >>>>>> continuing to explore further options for moving forward. I
will let
>>> >>>>>> you know as soon as we have something further to propose.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Steve
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> *From:*Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>]
>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 24, 2014 9:56 PM
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> *To:* Metalitz, Steven
>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco Transcription - 19
>>> >>>>>> May 2014
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Thanks Steve, so we will wait then for the final decision.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Rafik
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 2014-05-24 4:01 GMT+09:00 Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:met at msk.com>>:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> We had a CSG leadership call on this today and are undertaking
further
>>> >>>>>> consultation within our constituencies on a couple of points.
We are
>>> >>>>>> to meet again next Friday.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Steve
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> *From:*Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>]
>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:56 PM
>>> >>>>>> *To:* Metalitz, Steven
>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: FW: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco Transcription - 19
>>> >>>>>> May 2014
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> is it possible to know when CSG will respond to us about Sam
>>> >>>>>> candidature?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Best Regards,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Rafik
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 2014-05-21 9:53 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Thanks Steve,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Rafik
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 2014-05-21 4:36 GMT+09:00 Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:met at msk.com>>:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Rafik,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> For circulation to NCSG.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Steve
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>> From: Nathalie Peregrine [mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>]
>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:48 AM
>>> >>>>>> To: Rosette, Kristina; Metalitz, Steven; tony holmes
>>> >>>>>> (tonyarholmes at btinternet.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>); Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
>>> >>>>>> (Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>);
>>> >>>>>> Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:Elisa.Cooper at markmonitor.com>;
marilynscade at hotmail.com
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com>; harris at cabase.org.ar
>>> >>>>>> <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>
>>> >>>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>> >>>>>> Subject: CSG call with Sam Lanfranco Transcription - 19 May
2014
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Dear all,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Please find attached the transcript of the CSG call held
with Sam
>>> >>>>>> Lanfranco on May 19th 2014.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Kind regards
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Nathalie
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
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