[PC-NCSG] NCPH Board seat 14 election - results second round

Rafik Dammak rafik.dammak
Tue Apr 29 23:43:25 EEST 2014


again, btw can Sam share his CV ? we need to present him to CSG.

Rafik


2014-04-30 5:40 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi Rudi,
>
> I resumed the discussion with Kristina about the process after the
> netmundial week and suggested our compromise candidate. CSG excom had call
> before and discussed some options to be on or out (for example they decided
> to not change the voting threshold of 8 votes), they didn't reach any
> decision yet and now they have to check our own proposal.
>
> we may have call early next week with CSG if it is OK and we will be able
> to defend our option and listen to theirs. good to agree on some points
> before the call .
>
> btw the time is playing for our side,
>
> Best
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014-04-30 5:00 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:
>
> Dear Rafik,
>>
>> As I did not hear nor read any reaction of action on the process of
>> putting forward our compromise candidate and time is flowing away, may I
>> ask what?s next ? Did CSG already react ? What are the steps we officially
>> need to go through now (asap) ?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>  Rudi Vansnick
>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>> NPOC treasurer
>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>> www.npoc.org
>>
>> Op 21-apr.-2014, om 13:54 heeft Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> just to clarify, it is not a NCSG PC meeting we are talking about but a
>> possible call between CSG and NCSG regarding the election. because
>> netmundial, it may be complicated for those in brazil from CSG and NCSG to
>> attend the call this week. it may be wise to have a call next week when
>> everybody go back home. we are also hashing out the process here in PC
>> list. Sam is our compromise candidate and we still need to discuss about
>> the election process and find out CSG reaction to our proposal.
>>
>> @Avri thanks for the proposal, it looks for me a workable and clear way
>> to improve election process.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-04-21 17:00 GMT+09:00 Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> The decision to have a NCSG PC meeting is that not the responsibility of
>>> the chair of the NCSG Policy Committee ? Maria, what about the call for a
>>> meeting or a doodle ? Do you take action ?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>>  Rudi Vansnick
>>> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>> NPOC treasurer
>>> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org
>>> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>> www.npoc.org
>>>
>>> Op 21-apr.-2014, om 08:22 heeft marie-laure Lemineur <
>>> mllemineur at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I know I am copied, but a silly question just to be sure, I am suppose
>>> to be on this call or just the GNSO councillors  and Rafik and Maria as
>>> policy Chair ? Just for clarification.
>>>
>>> ...Not going to Brazil thus I am available all week basically..
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> ml
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> I goy finally email from Kristina, she was asking if CSG and NCSG need
>>>> confcall next week to discuss . since many of us will be in netmundial, it
>>>> may be complicated. so please let me if you are ok or not to have such
>>>> call. if we have such call, I think that is better to let them know about
>>>> the compromise there.
>>>> Kristina and me need to contact Jonathan too about the result ,
>>>> checking with John Jeffrey (the ICANN legal counsel)
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2014-04-19 1:50 GMT+09:00 Magaly Pazello <magaly.pazello at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>> It is my understand too, I mean what Maria explained and Rafik
>>>>> observations about the CSG reactions.
>>>>> Thank you our brave Avri!
>>>>>
>>>>> For whom is coming to NM have a smooth trip to S?o Paulo. And at the
>>>>> airports take care with ATM machines as it is a paradise of credit/bank
>>>>> account card fraud!
>>>>>
>>>>> Magaly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the summary,
>>>>>> it is when we have deadlock that we can propose the compromise and
>>>>>> having the ability to do so. and the only way to reach deadlock is at 3rd
>>>>>> and final round .
>>>>>> yes , we can follow the proposal: writing to the NCPH list to
>>>>>> initiate the discussion regarding compromise candidates. and yes we cannot
>>>>>> predict CSG reactions and we should be ready for that.
>>>>>> I already indicated quickly to Kristina when I received the results
>>>>>> that we should discuss but no reply yet. I think that is easter holidays
>>>>>> this weekend and probably won't get answer quickly ( in addition to those
>>>>>> who are travelling to Sao Paulo soon).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-04-18 0:57 GMT+09:00 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Marie Laure et al,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, just to be clear, we'd agreed in Singapore to let the thing go
>>>>>>> to three rounds and if it was still deadlocked,i.e. an election clearly
>>>>>>> wasn't going to yield a winning candidate, that NCSG would propose Sam to
>>>>>>> the CSG as a compromise candidate both sides of the NCPH could agree on.
>>>>>>> (at least we in the NCSG agree he would be a good candidate, and we hope
>>>>>>> the CSG will agree, too) We didn't want to put Sam up against BIll in a
>>>>>>> vote, but rather in the discussions we anticipated might ensue after the
>>>>>>> vote proved inconclusive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I think there should be no scope for any disappointment just yet
>>>>>>> - apart from the obvious disappointment that the NCSG's candidate didn't
>>>>>>> win outright in three rounds of voting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now we need to start the process of interacting with the CSG on a
>>>>>>> compromise person to be agreed on by both sides of the NCPH, and we all
>>>>>>> stand behind Sam as that person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From here on in, we can't predict what the CSG will propose or how
>>>>>>> they will react, so we will have to work very closely across the NCSG to
>>>>>>> make sure we're all happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's be clear about precisely how we will take the next step. I
>>>>>>> think we should write to the NCPH list and say basically 'there's no clear
>>>>>>> outcome in the election, so shall we discuss compromise candidates?' and
>>>>>>> if/when they agree, say we propose Sam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does that sound as a next step?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> p.s. Thank you very, very much, Avri, for standing in the election
>>>>>>> on behalf of the NCSG. It was fantastic that you secured the NCA vote, and
>>>>>>> a shame the ISPs didn't come through. Tant pis!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17 April 2014 16:39, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I disagree with your interpretation about what was agreed to,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> appreciate you giving me the chance.  And I appreciate the fact
>>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>>> of the votes held and I was able to at least get the majority vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes now is the time to propose Sam as the compromise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which means he replaces _both_ BillG and me and become a sole
>>>>>>>> candidate
>>>>>>>> in a election between Sam and none of the above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is what I think we agreed to.  And I am pretty sure the record
>>>>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17-Apr-14 11:13, Marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Dear NCSG-PC members,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > The results of the third round were just released.  This third
>>>>>>>> round
>>>>>>>> > ended in a deadlock therefore, as agreed in Singapore, NCSG
>>>>>>>> though its
>>>>>>>> > leadership should proposed Sam as the compromise candidate. Just
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> > fairness to history and for the record, in Singapore we had
>>>>>>>> agreed that
>>>>>>>> > we would wait for two rounds and if a deadlock happened, Sam
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> > proposed as a candidate for the third round. But despite that, in
>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>> > to give Avri another opportunity and as a proof of good faith, we
>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>> > NPOC) waited for the results of the third round to happen. Now,
>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>> > has happened, and we are going for a fourth round, the fair thing
>>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>>> > is to that respect the terms of our deal despite the
>>>>>>>> disappointment that
>>>>>>>> > many can feel.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Best,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Marie-laure
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Enviado desde mi iPad
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > El 14/04/2014, a las 10:29 p.m., Rudi Vansnick <
>>>>>>>> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be
>>>>>>>> > <mailto:rudi.vansnick at isoc.be>> escribi?:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> Dear Policy Committee members,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> As the chair of the NPOC PC, after consulting with the committee
>>>>>>>> >> members, I agree we proceed as is stated in Avri?s mail. We go
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> >> 3rd round and if the deadlock happens we proceed with Sam
>>>>>>>> Lanfranco as
>>>>>>>> >> the compromise candidate.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Rudi Vansnick
>>>>>>>> >> NPOC chair Policy Committee
>>>>>>>> >> NPOC treasurer
>>>>>>>> >> rudi.vansnick at npoc.org <mailto:rudi.vansnick at npoc.org>
>>>>>>>> >> Tel : +32 (0)9 329 39 16
>>>>>>>> >> Mobile : +32 (0)475 28 16 32
>>>>>>>> >> www.npoc.org <http://www.npoc.org>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Op 14-apr.-2014, om 17:06 heeft Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> I hope we are still giving me the third round to see what
>>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> If no one wins the 60% in this vote, then we are in the
>>>>>>>> deadlock we
>>>>>>>> >>> spoke of when Sam is proposed as the compromise candidate.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Or at least that is what I thought we agreed to.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> thanks
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> avri
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On 14-Apr-14 02:47, marie-laure Lemineur wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>> Dear Rafik,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> I would like to call for an NCSG policy meeting  soonest in
>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>> >>>> formally nominate Sam as a candidate for the next round.
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Marie-laure
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM, marie-laure Lemineur
>>>>>>>> >>>> <mllemineur at gmail.com <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:mllemineur at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    Hi all,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    I assume that what we agreed on during our NCSG policy
>>>>>>>> meeting in
>>>>>>>> >>>>    Singapore, for the third round, is still on...
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    best,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    ml
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM, William Drake <
>>>>>>>> wjdrake at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>    <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>        Mikey is the key.
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Robin Gross <
>>>>>>>> robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
>>>>>>>> >>>>        <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>        This is really great!  Way to go Avri!  Keep it up,
>>>>>>>> team!!
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>        Robin
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, Amr Elsadr wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>        Heeey!! Looks like Avri picked up the NCA vote this
>>>>>>>> round!! :)
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>        Nice.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>        On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Hi ,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        The result of 2nd round, we are going to have a 3rd
>>>>>>>> round.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Best,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Rafik
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        From: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Date: Apr 12, 2014 4:03 PM
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Subject: NCPH Board seat 14 election - results
>>>>>>>> second round
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        To: "krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>"
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <krosette at cov.com <mailto:krosette at cov.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:krosette at cov.com>>,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        "rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>"
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Cc: "Glen de Saint G?ry" <Glen at icann.org
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        <mailto:Glen at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Dear Kristina and Rafik,____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Please find the results of the second round of
>>>>>>>> voting which
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        closed on Friday, 11 April at 23:59 UTC.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Final tally :____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          7 votes     Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          6 votes     Bill Graham____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>          0 vote      None of the above____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        We await your instructions to continue with the third
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> round of voting due to open at 07:00UTC on 14 April 2014 and
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> close on 16 April at 23:59 UTC.  Please provide us with the
>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> for the ballot and any covering note that has to be sent
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> vote.____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Thank you.____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Kind regards,____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        __ __
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *__ __*
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Machine tally:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        **Total Ballots Cast (including duplicates):*13
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballots Counted (excluding duplicates):* 13
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Voters Who Haven't Voted:* 0 *____*
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        *Ballot with added tally (using weights, if
>>>>>>>> any):*____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>                        Select just one of the nominees
>>>>>>>> below____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        1:  7 votes    [] Avri Doria____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>        Glen de Saint G?ry ____
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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