[PC-NCSG] Fwd: Civil Society Roundtables

Sun Feb 17 14:43:13 EET 2013

agree with Robin, we need to push and push, I am afraid to see still some
gaps between the discourse and the reality in the ground from ICANN,I guess
official letter will rise official response.

Rafik

2013/2/11 Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>

>  I think we should send a letter to Fadi and ask that he include
> Non-Commercial participants in these engagement plans.
>
> ICANN is making all sorts of plans to engage business these days.  And
> these MIG initiatives should certainly include non-commercial actors.  If
> we send a simple friendly letter welcoming further engagement, but
> reminding them we need to be a part of these engagement initiatives, it
> could be helpful.   If ICANN wants to say it is "bottom up", it has to
> include us bottom-dwellers in the plans.  And we can also put an ask for
> the civil society roundtable in writing on the ICANN website, where ICANN
> will have to publicly respond.  Let's see if we can encourage the new
> leadership to understand the importance of reaching out to non-commercial
> participants with the same zeal it does to commercial participants.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:23 AM, William Drake wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Since I proposed that there be 2 round tables instead of just one and
> suggested the split, I will continue suggesting it,.  I will mention that
> there are some that might see it as harmful.
>
>
> I can't say I understand this from either a substantive or NCUC
> perspective; it seems like the same debate we had with Alain sometime ago
> when he wanted thought the academics should be split off from NCUC.
>
>
> I see the role of advocacy and analysis as having different perspectives,
> that is why I suggested it.  I also the content  of concern and the
> perspective these two groups take as very different.
>
>
> I've not notice this in four+ years.  Could you give some examples?
>
> BTW have people read the transcripts of Fadi's meeting with CSG in LA?  He
> apparently has an activity in the works that you'd have thought CS might
> have been consulted on?maybe ALAC has?
>
> from p. 27
>
>
> *we will be doing a series of events around the planet called
> Multi-stakeholder Internet Governance - we're dubbing them MIG Works.
> Multi-stakeholder Internet Governance Works. The first MIG Works will be in
> the Arab region and the second one will be in Africa (this Dubai).
>
> We're doing both of these in March by the way, doing these not as ICANN
> but with the rest of our fellow organizations ,so ISOC is involved, the
> RRI's are involved - all of these organizations are involved with us in
> this effort. This is not an effort to talk to governments, this is an
> effort to talk to the multi- stakeholders in this region and to tell them
> two things. That multi- stakeholders works and that's how it works and
> secondly to engage them in participating in the multi-stakeholder (in
> Dubai).*
>
>
> Anyone here approached by staff about participating in MIG Works meetings?
>
> Could this be part of what Miss Cade had in mind in saying that CS knows
> nuttin about Internet governance?to discourage our inclusion in such?  I
> wasn't in the room when she said it, to my regret?
>
> BD
>
>
>
> I was looking for advice on the topic issue.
>
> avri
>
> On 10 Feb 2013, at 05:02, Kleinw?chter, Wolfgang wrote:
>
> I can only support Bill: We have to avoid this "splitting" and to see CS
> as one animal with different wings.We have common interests and share
> values but there are certainly specifics. To organoze too much rivalry
> between different wings of CS is not helpful althougn some competition and
>  diversity is not bad.
>
> wolfgang
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org im Auftrag von William Drake
> Gesendet: So 10.02.2013 10:41
> An: Avri Doria
> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
> Betreff: Re: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Civil Society Roundtables
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Why further divide us into NGO and academic?  I'm hard pressed to see the
> advantages of doubling down on the splintering, but do think a CS
> roundtable would be great.  Ahead of something like that one could imagine
> a serious collective effort to do a mapping exercise, long overdue....
>
> Bill
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:28, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I sent off the following message to Fadi after the meting.
>
> I got a reply from Chris, and plan to talk him later this week.
>
> Any helpful clues from you all would be great. Especially helpful would be
> ideas on:
>
> Venn Diagram of where NGO strategic interests and DNS developments
> intersect.
>
>
>
> avri
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri <avri>@ella.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:30 AM
> To: Fadi Chehade
> Subject: Civil Society Rountables
>
> Hi,
>
> One thing I had meant to mention while in LA, but never found the
> opportunity:  I think that among the leaders' roundtables that you plan,
> I recommend that you consider doing one with Civil Society NGO Executive
> Directors etc.. and another with Civil Society's prominent Internet
> governance academics.
>
> Again, the LA meeting was good.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> avri
>
>
>
> I got permission to pass this on to co-workers
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Chris Mondini <chris.mondini at icann.org>
> Subject: FW: Civil Society Roundtables
> Date: 5 February 2013 12:08:15 EST
> To: "avri at ella.com" <avri at ella.com>
> Cc: Nora Abusitta <nora.abusitta at icann.org>
>
> Dear Avri,
>
>
> Fadi passed your note to me and asked me to respond.  He thinks your idea
> is a good one and asked me to speak with you to get a plan underway.  The
> CEO roundtables have been envisioned largely as a way for him to encourage
> Domain Name businesses to understand the scrutiny under which they find
> themselves from governments and the public and to encourage them to work
> together to focus on their reputation and to educate parties unfamiliar
> with the DNS in anticipation of the increased attention that new gTLDS
> will bring.   As a result, the agenda items have focused on reputational
> analysis, Wall Street views, and Defining the DNS Industry.
>
> I suspect that Executive Directors of NGOs and Civil Society Organizations
> would have a separate set of interests, so I will need your help to create
> the Venn Diagram of where NGO strategic interests and DNS developments
> intersect.   Please keep in mind that the roundtable discussions aren't
> about ICANN or ICANN policy making, but rather about bigger picture
> issues, such as the value that the DNS and the scalable interoperable
> internet bring to social discourse and civil society and where there is an
> alignment of interests among players in the DNS ecosystem.   We need to
> avoid any topics that are already being covered in ICANN policy forums.
>
> As for Internet Governance Academics, I will be interested to hear your
> thoughts on what would be of interest to them, too!.  Please let me know
> when would be a good time for you to speak about your idea.  I am cc-in my
> colleague Nora Abusitta who is responsible for engagement with
> international organizations, as she may be able to provide insights as
> well.
>
> Thanks again and I look forward to speaking with you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Christopher Mondini
> Vice President, Business Engagement
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
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