[PC-NCSG] Fwd: Civil Society Roundtables
Robin Gross
robin
Sun Feb 10 20:07:08 EET 2013
I think we should send a letter to Fadi and ask that he include Non-
Commercial participants in these engagement plans.
ICANN is making all sorts of plans to engage business these days.
And these MIG initiatives should certainly include non-commercial
actors. If we send a simple friendly letter welcoming further
engagement, but reminding them we need to be a part of these
engagement initiatives, it could be helpful. If ICANN wants to say
it is "bottom up", it has to include us bottom-dwellers in the
plans. And we can also put an ask for the civil society roundtable
in writing on the ICANN website, where ICANN will have to publicly
respond. Let's see if we can encourage the new leadership to
understand the importance of reaching out to non-commercial
participants with the same zeal it does to commercial participants.
Thanks,
Robin
On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:23 AM, William Drake wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Since I proposed that there be 2 round tables instead of just one
>> and suggested the split, I will continue suggesting it,. I will
>> mention that there are some that might see it as harmful.
>
> I can't say I understand this from either a substantive or NCUC
> perspective; it seems like the same debate we had with Alain
> sometime ago when he wanted thought the academics should be split
> off from NCUC.
>>
>> I see the role of advocacy and analysis as having different
>> perspectives, that is why I suggested it. I also the content of
>> concern and the perspective these two groups take as very different.
>
> I've not notice this in four+ years. Could you give some examples?
>
> BTW have people read the transcripts of Fadi's meeting with CSG in
> LA? He apparently has an activity in the works that you'd have
> thought CS might have been consulted on?maybe ALAC has?
>
> from p. 27
>
>
> we will be doing a series of events around the planet called Multi-
> stakeholder Internet Governance - we're dubbing them MIG Works.
> Multi-stakeholder Internet Governance Works. The first MIG Works
> will be in the Arab region and the second one will be in Africa
> (this Dubai).
>
> We're doing both of these in March by the way, doing these not as
> ICANN but with the rest of our fellow organizations ,so ISOC is
> involved, the RRI's are involved - all of these organizations are
> involved with us in this effort. This is not an effort to talk to
> governments, this is an effort to talk to the multi- stakeholders
> in this region and to tell them two things. That multi-
> stakeholders works and that's how it works and secondly to engage
> them in participating in the multi-stakeholder (in Dubai).
>
>
> Anyone here approached by staff about participating in MIG Works
> meetings?
>
> Could this be part of what Miss Cade had in mind in saying that CS
> knows nuttin about Internet governance?to discourage our inclusion
> in such? I wasn't in the room when she said it, to my regret?
>
> BD
>
>
>>
>> I was looking for advice on the topic issue.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 10 Feb 2013, at 05:02, Kleinw?chter, Wolfgang wrote:
>>
>>> I can only support Bill: We have to avoid this "splitting" and to
>>> see CS as one animal with different wings.We have common
>>> interests and share values but there are certainly specifics. To
>>> organoze too much rivalry between different wings of CS is not
>>> helpful althougn some competition and diversity is not bad.
>>>
>>> wolfgang
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Von: pc-ncsg-bounces at ipjustice.org im Auftrag von William Drake
>>> Gesendet: So 10.02.2013 10:41
>>> An: Avri Doria
>>> Cc: NCSG-Policy <PC-NCSG at ipjustice.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Civil Society Roundtables
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Why further divide us into NGO and academic? I'm hard pressed to
>>> see the advantages of doubling down on the splintering, but do
>>> think a CS roundtable would be great. Ahead of something like
>>> that one could imagine a serious collective effort to do a
>>> mapping exercise, long overdue....
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:28, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I sent off the following message to Fadi after the meting.
>>>>
>>>> I got a reply from Chris, and plan to talk him later this week.
>>>>
>>>> Any helpful clues from you all would be great. Especially
>>>> helpful would be ideas on:
>>>>
>>>>> Venn Diagram of where NGO strategic interests and DNS developments
>>>>> intersect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at ella.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:30 AM
>>>>>> To: Fadi Chehade
>>>>>> Subject: Civil Society Rountables
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I had meant to mention while in LA, but never found the
>>>>>> opportunity: I think that among the leaders' roundtables that
>>>>>> you plan,
>>>>>> I recommend that you consider doing one with Civil Society NGO
>>>>>> Executive
>>>>>> Directors etc.. and another with Civil Society's prominent
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>> governance academics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, the LA meeting was good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got permission to pass this on to co-workers
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Chris Mondini <chris.mondini at icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: FW: Civil Society Roundtables
>>>>> Date: 5 February 2013 12:08:15 EST
>>>>> To: "avri at ella.com" <avri at ella.com>
>>>>> Cc: Nora Abusitta <nora.abusitta at icann.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Avri,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fadi passed your note to me and asked me to respond. He thinks
>>>>> your idea
>>>>> is a good one and asked me to speak with you to get a plan
>>>>> underway. The
>>>>> CEO roundtables have been envisioned largely as a way for him
>>>>> to encourage
>>>>> Domain Name businesses to understand the scrutiny under which
>>>>> they find
>>>>> themselves from governments and the public and to encourage
>>>>> them to work
>>>>> together to focus on their reputation and to educate parties
>>>>> unfamiliar
>>>>> with the DNS in anticipation of the increased attention that
>>>>> new gTLDS
>>>>> will bring. As a result, the agenda items have focused on
>>>>> reputational
>>>>> analysis, Wall Street views, and Defining the DNS Industry.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that Executive Directors of NGOs and Civil Society
>>>>> Organizations
>>>>> would have a separate set of interests, so I will need your
>>>>> help to create
>>>>> the Venn Diagram of where NGO strategic interests and DNS
>>>>> developments
>>>>> intersect. Please keep in mind that the roundtable
>>>>> discussions aren't
>>>>> about ICANN or ICANN policy making, but rather about bigger
>>>>> picture
>>>>> issues, such as the value that the DNS and the scalable
>>>>> interoperable
>>>>> internet bring to social discourse and civil society and where
>>>>> there is an
>>>>> alignment of interests among players in the DNS ecosystem. We
>>>>> need to
>>>>> avoid any topics that are already being covered in ICANN policy
>>>>> forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Internet Governance Academics, I will be interested to
>>>>> hear your
>>>>> thoughts on what would be of interest to them, too!. Please
>>>>> let me know
>>>>> when would be a good time for you to speak about your idea. I
>>>>> am cc-in my
>>>>> colleague Nora Abusitta who is responsible for engagement with
>>>>> international organizations, as she may be able to provide
>>>>> insights as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again and I look forward to speaking with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Christopher Mondini
>>>>> Vice President, Business Engagement
>>>>>
>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300; Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536
>>>>>
>>>>> chris.mondini at icann.org
>>>>> +1 (310) 578-8658 (direct)
>>>>> +1 (650) 796-4665 (mobile)
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype: chris.mondini.icann
>>>>
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