[PC-NCSG] Fwd: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff?

Mon Feb 20 21:05:52 EET 2012

fyi - this email bring up several things that are going on.

esp: http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/sac051-draft-roadmap-18feb12-en.htm

i am also lightly participating in the IETF effort which is  referred to below.  it is called  'weirds,' which is not yet an IETF WG, but is applying to become one.

speaking of IETF WGs, another interesting non WG discussion list is: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-privacy/current/threads.html

avri

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Francisco Arias <francisco.arias at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff? 
> Date: 20 February 2012 12:59:29 EST
> To: "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com>, Dave Piscitello <dave.piscitello at icann.org>
> Cc: "'ssac-gnso-irdwg at icann.org'" <ssac-gnso-irdwg at icann.org>
> 
> 
> Hello Steven,
> 
> You beat us on sending the email to let everyone know about it :-)
> 
> This draft roadmap is form implementing SSAC's SAC 051, which recommends
> the replacement of the WHOIS protocol. The Board passed a resolution in
> Dakar directing the production of this roadmap, which we just published in
> draft (rough) form for community input.
> 
> Note that we are planning a session in Costa Rica. We are envisioning the
> evolution of the roadmap document throughout two public comment periods
> and be ready for Board/Community action by Prague meeting in June.
> 
> Your input is more than welcome:
> 
> http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/sac051-draft-roadmap-18feb12-en.htm
> 
> Regards,
> 
> __
> 
> Francisco.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/20/12 9:48 AM, "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Further to this topic, I note that the ICANN staff posted on Saturday a
>> "Roadmap to a New Domain Name Registration Data Access Protocol (WHOIS)"
>> and is asking for public comment on it.   See
>> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-18feb12-en.htm.
>> 
>> Steve Metalitz  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Metalitz, Steven
>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:53 PM
>> To: 'Dave Piscitello'
>> Cc: ssac-gnso-irdwg at icann.org
>> Subject: RE: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff?
>> 
>> Thanks for this helpful response, Dave.  I agree this work is very
>> important and I have no reason at all to question your opinion that it
>> has enormous merit. I am just having a hard time squaring your
>> description with the CEO's statement that " ICANN staff members have
>> developed and recommended a solution" and that this solution "is being
>> considered for adoption as a standard" by the IETF.  I hope you can help
>> me gain a better understanding of the apparent discrepancy.
>> 
>> I looked briefly at the IETF mailing list for which you provided a link.
>> My sense is that this IETF group is discussing a charter for a working
>> group that would try to develop something I would describe as a
>> "solution."  The draft charter I reviewed proposed the following
>> milestones (and again it seems that the charter has not yet been
>> approved, and I don't know the procedure for that):
>> 
>> [start + 2 months] Draft WEIRDS requirements to IESG for
>>   publication as Informational RFC.
>> 
>>   [start + 6 months] Draft WEIRDS base specification to IESG for
>>   publication on the standards track
>> 
>> This suggests to me that this process is many months away from producing
>> a solution that would be considered for adoption as an IETF standard.  I
>> am sure I may be mistaken, but if so I hope someone will correct me.
>> 
>> I also see on that mailing list some references to a document
>> draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-00.txt which I take it might be the
>> "solution" that "ICANN staff members have recommended."  What is the
>> status of that document within the IETF process?
>> 
>> While I am sure I might have missed it, was that document circulated to
>> the IRDWG?  If not, would it be possible to do so?
>> 
>> Thanks for your patience as I try to find my way through these questions.
>> 
>> 
>> Steve Metalitz  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Piscitello [mailto:dave.piscitello at icann.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:09 PM
>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>> Cc: ssac-gnso-irdwg at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [ssac-gnso-irdwg] IRD solution recommended by ICANN staff?
>> 
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>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> The solution Rod Beckstrom mentions is a technical body of work in
>> progress. Staff is looking at ways to build capacity in the protocol to
>> handle IRD. Many external parties are working on various aspects of this
>> solution, including SSAC, interested registry and registrar technical
>> staff (participating in IETF discussions), and other stakeholders from
>> private companies (Google, eBay/PayPal and others participating in the
>> IETF community discussions).
>> 
>> The technical body of work encompasses or takes into consideration:
>> 
>> 1- evolution of Whois in the RIR community towards a RESTful
>> architecture, led by ARIN
>> 2- experimentation by ICANN staff, members of the RIR community to
>> further study ARIN's approach
>> 3- presentation of (1) and (2) to the IETF for consideration
>> 4- the recommendations from SSAC regarding a Whois Taxonomy (SAC051)
>> 5- the report from the IRD WG
>> 6- the Whois review team recommendations
>> 
>> No formal written document is yet available, primarily because several
>> components are still being studied or refined. While there are many
>> people involved in two or more of the above activities, they are running
>> in parallel but are not synchronized.
>> 
>> The reading list for anyone who is interested in participating or
>> learning more includes:
>> 
>> - - RESTful WHOIS for American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN),
>> <https://www.arin.net/resources/whoisrws/index.html>
>> 
>> - - A RESTful Web Service for Internet Names and Address Directory
>> Services, USENIX login 2011;
>> <http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/2011-10/openpdfs/Newton.pdf>
>> 
>> - - IETF WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service
>> <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds>
>> 
>> - - SSAC 051: Domain Name WHOIS Terminology and Structure
>> <www.icann.org/en/committees/security/sac051.pdf>
>> 
>> - - IRD WG report:
>> <http://gnso.icann.org/issues/ird/ird-draft-final-report-03oct11-en.pdf>
>> 
>> - - WHOIS Policy Review Team Draft Report:
>> <http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-05dec11-en.htm>
>> 
>> 
>> I'm happy to chat about this work because I think it has enormous merit.
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>> 
>>> I note with interest the following from Rod Beckstrom's letter to NTIA
>>> Administrator Strickling on January 11, 2012
>>> (http://www.icann.org/en/correspondence/beckstrom-to-strickling-11jan12-e
>>> n.pdf) :
>>> 
>>> "ICANN staff members have developed and recommended a solution for
>>> internationalized registration data (to ensure clarity of Whois
>>> information using characters other than English).  That proposal is
>>> being considered for adoption as a standard by the Internet Engineering
>>> Task Force."   
>>> 
>>> Could the proposal referred to be circulated with the IRD Working
>>> Group?  Thanks .
>>> 
>>> Steve Metalitz
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