[NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting
Thato Mfikwe
thatomfikwe at gmail.com
Fri Sep 28 16:29:57 EEST 2018
Hi all,
1. Finally I get a little bit of time to help push for submission of the
draft OP of the NCSG FC, our initial timelines were not met but if we can
push to submit by end of November that would not be a train smash.
2. Remmy or Farzi, please start integration changes and comments on the OP
Draft document so that we can prepare for submission to the EC by November
2018, and remember to close comment from the community
3. I think we need to hold another meeting towards end of October in order
to finalise the Draft OP before submission to the EC
4. We need to exercise fairness and consistency in our decision, please
kindly see my input inline below, thanks.
Thato Mfikwe.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:31 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Answers in line Remmy
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:31 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Farzaneh
>> Thanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour.
>>
>> 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona
>> meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter.
>> 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can
>> be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/
>> Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should
>> become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right) I am
>> also in line with Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on
>> automatic observer for chair for PC.
>>
>> *The issue of constituency chairs has been agreed upon (2/3) and minority
view (1/3) will be recorded, secondly, the observer status of PC chairs is
good for enhancing synergy and coordination amongst committees and
constituencies, provided that the FC chair will also receive observer
status on the NCG PC (what are you thoughts on this, because at some point
the FC and the PC need t see eye to eye and this process will create that
desired platform).*
> Well I disagree with any chair being automatically an observer because I
> think the FC should be able to invite members and observers and chairs
> involvement with FC should happen as needed. But I wonder why you are
> specifically against pc chair being an observer? Can you please provide
> your reasons?
>
>>
>> 1.
>> 2. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee
>> Operating Procedure (accepted_
>> 3. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the
>> finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list
>> 4. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG
>> (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and
>> Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this. (Considering
>> the difficulty of managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG
>> including the issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its
>> going to be a hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if
>> Special Purpose Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.)
>>
>> I think we need to see how treasury functions at constituency level,
there might be some lessons to learn on how to administer and manage the
bank account (NCUC chair would be of help in this instance).
Special purpose vehicle term was not accepted but this doesn't mean others
> won't think about the right avenues for creating ncsg account.
>
>>
>> 1.
>> 2. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the
>> oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment
>> 3. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members
>> consultation etc
>> 4. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN.
>> Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to
>> how he can approach the issue.
>>
>> *Farzi, please list those suggestions *
>
>> 1. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since
>> Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is
>> sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making
>> in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority
>> or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC
>> decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do
>> not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision
>> is taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should
>> suffice and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided
>> house. IMO. We can disagree to agree eventually.
>>
>> *Again minority views will also be recorded.*
You disregarded members comments on this issue and my comments and did not
> want to come to a reformed language that does not necessarily require FC be
> in ICANN meetings, is in line with our charter but also if the opportunity
> arises enables FC to attend ICANN and other meetings. Hence I would like to
> tell NCSG EC that I don't agree with these provisions that you have passed
> and that it was not a consensus decision. I have discussed this many many
> times and I have no desire to continue and I find it quite amusing that you
> first don't want to come to a compromise and consensus and then ask me not
> to do a dissent. FC is in charge of creating resources for NCSG to do
> policy. It's not to be a strain on resources.
>
> Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have
>> not.
>>
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>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:19 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona
>>> meeting, automatically a member of FC according to the charter
>>> 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG
>>> can be invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/
>>> Farzaneh disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should
>>> become an observer automatically (I hope I got that one right)
>>> 3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee
>>> Operating Procedure (accepted_
>>> 4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the
>>> finance committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list
>>> 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG
>>> (Joan, Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and
>>> Stephanie are in a good position to work together on this.
>>> 6. Thato to review 3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the
>>> oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment
>>> 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members
>>> consultation etc
>>> 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN.
>>> Farzaneh disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to
>>> how he can approach the issue.
>>> 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since
>>> Thato and Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent
>>>
>>> Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have
>>> not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
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