[NCSG-FC] Notes of the meeting

farzaneh badii farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
Mon Oct 1 17:15:44 EEST 2018 

Hi Thato
Did you carry this out?Thato to review  3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the
oversight and remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment







On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 9:29 AM, Thato Mfikwe thatomfikwe at gmail.com  wrote:
Hi all,
1. Finally I get a little bit of time to help push for submission of the draft
OP of the NCSG FC, our initial timelines were not met but if we can push to
submit by end of November that would not be a train smash.2. Remmy or Farzi,
please start integration changes and comments on the OP Draft document so that
we can prepare for submission to the EC by November 2018, and remember to close
comment from the community
3. I think we need to hold another meeting towards end of October in order to
finalise the Draft OP before submission to the EC
4. We need to exercise fairness and consistency in our decision, please kindly
see my input inline below, thanks.

Thato Mfikwe.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:31 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
Answers in line Remmy
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:31 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi FarzanehThanks for the notes. My comments inline please and in colour. 1. 
    Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona meeting,
    automatically a member of FC according to the charter.
 2. 
    Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can be
    invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ Farzaneh
    disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should become an
    observer automatically (I hope I got that one right)  I am also in line with
    Thato on this and you are correct on my rejection on automatic observer for
    chair for PC.

The issue of constituency chairs has been agreed upon (2/3) and minority view
(1/3) will be recorded, secondly, the observer status of PC chairs is good for
enhancing synergy and coordination amongst  committees and constituencies,
provided that the FC chair will also receive observer status on the NCG PC (what
are you thoughts on this, because at some point the FC and the PC need t see eye
to eye and this process will create that desired platform).

Well I disagree with any chair being automatically an observer because I think
the FC should be able to invite members and observers and chairs involvement
with FC should happen as needed. But I wonder why you are specifically against
pc chair being an observer? Can you please provide your reasons? 1. 
 2. 2.6 of
    charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating Procedure
    (accepted_
 3. 
    Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the finance
    committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list
 4. Remove
    section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG (Joan, Stephanie
    and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and Stephanie are in a
    good position to work together on this. (Considering the difficulty of
    managing the proposed new/separate account model for NCSG including the
    issue of residency and frequency of officers/signatories, its going to be a
    hardnut and pray we thinker on yet another option of that if Special Purpose
    Vehicle [SPV] is not taken entirely/partly.)

I think we need to see how treasury functions at constituency level, there might
be some lessons to learn on how to administer and manage the bank account (NCUC
chair would be of help in this instance).

Special purpose vehicle term was not accepted but this doesn't mean others won't
think about the right avenues for creating ncsg account. 1. 
 2. Thato to review 
    3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight and remove and reword
    then provide to NCSG FC to comment
 3. ABR submission/ A
    lightweight process for submission/ Members consultation etc
 4. Thato discussed how
    to receive travel allocation from ICANN. Farzaneh disagreed that there is a
    need but provided some suggestions as to how he can approach the issue.

Farzi, please list those suggestions 
 1. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato and
    Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent. (Is
    sending a dissent to EC part of the Charter requirement on decision making
    in NCSG and FC precisely, especially when one does not agree with majority
    or is it because it still has to go to EC where you preside? What of if FC
    decision stops at FC. Even with this comment here, is dissent already? I do
    not think its necessarily so and should not be encouraged). If a decision is
    taken as Committee despite our various positions, I think it should suffice
    and be respected, rather than creating impression of a divided house. IMO.
    We can disagree to agree eventually.

Again minority views will also be recorded.  
You disregarded members comments on this issue and my comments and did not want
to come to a reformed language that does not necessarily require FC be in ICANN
meetings, is in line with our charter but also if the opportunity arises enables
FC to attend ICANN and other meetings. Hence I would like to tell NCSG EC that I
don't agree with these provisions that you have passed and that it was not a
consensus decision. I have discussed this many many times and I have no desire
to continue and I find it quite amusing that you first don't want to come to a
compromise and consensus  and then ask me not to do a dissent. FC is in charge
of creating resources for NCSG to do policy. It's not to be a strain on
resources.
Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have not.
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:19 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
 1. Stephanie will become NCSG chair either before or after Barcelona meeting,
    automatically a member of FC according to the charter
 2. Observers: chairs of committees and constituencies within NCSG can be
    invited to FC/Thato wants the chairs to be automatically observers/ Farzaneh
    disagrees, Remmy doesn't think that Policy Committee chair should become an
    observer automatically (I hope I got that one right)
 3. 2.6 of charter was inserted in the NCSG Finance Committee Operating
    Procedure (accepted_
 4. Constituencies can seek advice about financial matters from the finance
    committee which will be nonbinding/ Discuss on the mailing list
 5. Remove section 5- replace with creating a bank account for NCSG (Joan,
    Stephanie and other FC members to discuss this, I believe Joan and Stephanie
    are in a good position to work together on this.
 6. Thato to review  3.(III), 3(IV), 3(V), 3(VI) - review the oversight and
    remove and reword then provide to NCSG FC to comment
 7. ABR submission/ A lightweight process for submission/ Members consultation
    etc
 8. Thato discussed how to receive travel allocation from ICANN. Farzaneh
    disagreed that there is a need but provided some suggestions as to how he
    can approach the issue.
 9. The wording of FC members attending AGM was not changed since Thato and
    Remmy supported it, Farzaneh dissented and will send her dissent

Sorry I thought I sent this on the day of the meeting. Seems like I have not.

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