[NCSG-FC] [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request

[farzaneh badii]

Dear Remmy

Thank you. Many NCSG members have expressed their opinion about FC having
to travel to meetings, many have said it is not necessary, the charter
doesn't mandate it, ICANN does not consider budget for it and I also think
automatically re-allocating to FC is not necessary either.

NCSG EC gets 3 travel slots, one goes to the chair, one goes to NPOC EC
rep, one goes to NCUC EC rep (they decide among themselves). If the chair
cannot go, or EC members cannot go, the allocation will take place based on
NCSG travel re-allocation polict. ICANN has not considered any travel slot
for FC. NCSG EC does not have any other money. If any EC  slot becomes
available we publicize on the mailing list and all members can apply. As I
have said, and some of our members have said FC does not need to be in
meetings in person. I have carried out many financial tasks remotely
successfully, as well as fundraising. I do not suggest at any point FC be
set aside money automatically to go to ICANN meetings. Those who have
fundraising experience and are a part of FC know how to raise money for
civil society, by having connection, being able to go to meetings
themselves etc. The function does not need the face-to-face in person
meetings. If FC members happen to be at ICANN meeting (through a
fellowship, being granted travel through other means etc) then great.
Otherwise they are not entitled to, and should not be set aside a budget.
If the constituencies according to their rules and procedures would like to
fund their FC members, I have nothing to do with that decision. Other than
the chair, councilors and constituency chairs, no committee member is
entitled to travel nor gets automatic funding allocation at NCSG. It is
either. FC is here to raise funds and find resources. If it does so
successfully, then we might get to a level where we can fund them to go to
missions on fundraising. That time has not come yet.

As someone who has been involved with financial matters at NCUC and NCSG, I
do not see the need for FC to be onsite at ICANN meetings to carry out its
duties. We can write donors documents, project documents, document our
achievements and fundraise outside of ICANN meetings (which I believe that
is where we should be fundraising) and keep members updated through
webinars.

We extensively discussed this. I don't think in person meetings are needed
except when FC members are there for other reasons. We don't have the
resources to allocate at NCSG level to FC members to attend meetings.
Constituencies can decide their own internal matter. This does not mean
that FC's work is not important. It merely means the nature of the job does
not require them to be on site for ICANN meetings to move things forward.

This also does not mean that FC members, if an opportunity arises for
travel slot application, would be automatically rejected. They will be
assessed based on already established criteria.

I will be at a work event for the next two days and will not be able to
regularly respond to email.



Best


Farzaneh


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Renata and Joan for the directions and supports both of you have
> jointly advanced for FC to excel. I think its important to commend that and
> to urge and pray that whoever takes over from you both learn this rope for
> the growth and unity of NCSG constituencies.
>
> Farzaneh's support in strengthening the process cannot be over-looked. It
> takes a vision to achieve what have been achieved under her leadership in
> NCSG.
>
> However, I really do not think FC has to be shopping around for
> opportunities to engage the community unless the best is not expected of
> FC, because I do not also see how you can be in an ICANN meeting with a
> funding from another working group and not be committed to the WG and
> eventually not meeting the optimal mandate of FC to that meeting, hence, I
> will earnestly urge NCSG EC via the chair to provide an enabling
> environment for FC to explore its focused mandate, especially in following
> the money within ICANN and apparent networking required beyond mere
> information gathering where the money is to translate to dividends for NCSG.
>
> There is more to human elements in networking than mere writing e-mails.
> Mind you, here we are talking about funding, so we must realise that
> definitely there is huge difference in *face*-to-*face *engagement and
> mediated *communication*.
>
> I will solicit the support of NCSG leadership (via Farzaneh) in this
> regard to support the current FC desire to work and make its own
> contributions to the growth and seeing improved processes within NCSG, to
> assist FC and NCSG mainstream ICANN finance as dreamt and deem necessary
> for the benefit of NCSG and NCSG-FC we want.
>
> So, I hereby reiterate that we are much better as a united team both in FC
> and NCSG by seeing and availing every NCSG Committee an enabling
> environment it require to excel based on its work plan. Either by omission
> or commission, FC seems alienated for so long and we must join forces now
> to ensure this FC works and for the benefit of NCSG in all its entirety.
>
> Best of the day and thanks in anticipation to all for your continuous
> support.
>
> Remmy Nweke
>
>
>
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> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:12 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thato
>>
>> All current processes for travel support are open calls and selection
>> of the candidates with all the votes of the EC, in NCUC. I'd think the
>> same in NPOC and NCUC.
>>
>> So you can either run on one of those processes and mention that you
>> would like the support to help jumpstart the FC Committee. But it is a
>> criteria too to be involved in policy so maybe you can enroll in some
>> WGs or PDPs and mention, same for Remmy.
>>
>> Another thing would be creating a whole new process for FC members
>> only to have travel support. I'm guessing that falls again under the
>> hierarchic structure of NCSG. You have to propose to NCSG Chair, to
>> take it to NCSG EC. Your committee is hosted within NCSG so it's up to
>> this leadership.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I want to make a simple inquiry hoping to obtain a clear direction
>> moving
>> > forward while there is still time from NCSG chair, constituency chairs
>> and
>> > Maryam.
>> >
>> > Is there any way that the FC can get travel and participation support to
>> > facilitate the submitted meetings onsite for ICANN 63, if so what will
>> be
>> > required from the FC in the meantime or how soon can a response be
>> obtained
>> > regarding this question because this still remains unresolved, thanks.
>> >
>> > Thato Mfikwe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <
>> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thank you Thato. I will go ahead and make this request.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
>> >>
>> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation got Assigned Names and Numbers
>> >>
>> >> S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7846 471777
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Friday, 20 July 2018 at 19:13
>> >> To: Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Cc: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> >> Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Maryam,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please accept the meting request below, should there be any changes, I
>> >> will let you know, thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thato Mfikwe.
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 2:09 PM
>> >> Subject: Final call: ICANN 63 Meeting request
>> >> To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc at lists.ncsg.is>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Below is the updated agenda with corrections based in comments
>> received,
>> >> please confirm if all is complete so that I can forward to Maryam
>> before 5pm
>> >> UTC.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> MEETING 1
>> >>
>> >> NCSG Finance Committee (90 min)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Objective: To introduce NCSG FC to the NCSG community and discuss the
>> >> Finance Committee Operational Procedures (OP) and the NCSG Charter in
>> order
>> >> to find synergy between the two documents.
>> >>
>> >> People needed: ICANN Finance, GNSO Finance rep, FC member or members,
>> NCSG
>> >> EC and members
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Agenda: Face to face meeting with NCSG members (90 minutes)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Part 1: Establishment of the NCSG FC - 45 minutes
>> >>
>> >> 1. introduction, background of the FC and committee responsibilities as
>> >> listed in the NCSG Charter - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 2. Overview of the NCSG Charter and Finance Committee OP (oversight,
>> >> participation, accountability and auditing function issues) - 15 min
>> >>
>> >> 3. Q and A - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 4. Discussions on how to synergies the 2 documents and harmonize
>> >> contention areas based on community comments (volunteers)- 10 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Part 2: NCSG Finances and fundraising for NCSG - 45 min
>> >>
>> >> 5. Discussion on NCSG priorities, opportunities and needs - 10 min
>> >>
>> >> 6. Background on ICANN budgets, 2018 - 2019 ABRs and fundraising
>> options
>> >> (ICANN finance, contributions and outreach to external funders) - 10
>> min
>> >>
>> >> 7. Inputs and comments - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 8. Leveraging ICANN Finance for NCSG activities - finance rep - 7 min
>> >>
>> >> 9. Remarks by GNSO rep - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 10. Q and A - 4 min
>> >>
>> >> 11. Closing remarks - 4 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> MEETING 2 (Optional depending on availability of a slot):
>> >>
>> >> NCSG FC outreach during constituency day or NCSG outreach sessions (FC
>> to
>> >> sit on a panel or present online)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Objective:  To call on volunteers to help the FC in execution of its
>> >> responsibilities (information sharing and creating awareness)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> People needed: New comers and NCSG members
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Presentation areas
>> >>
>> >> 1. Introduction to the FC and current activities - 5 min
>> >>
>> >> 2. FC plans and how to participate - 3 min
>> >>
>> >> 3. Q and A - 5 min
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Other benefits for attending onsite (FYI):
>> >>
>> >> - Following up on other discussions, meetings and deliberations
>> relating
>> >> to policy updates, ICANN funds and budgets
>> >>
>> >> - Creating enabling networks and contacts with potential funders and
>> ICANN
>> >> staff
>> >>
>> >> - Participating in the ICANN open forum, where there will be
>> presentation
>> >> of annual reports and 2019 planned activities
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Based on your comments:
>> >>
>> >> Remmy: A Q and A might be needed is order for members to obtain first
>> hand
>> >> information about ICANN finances, 1 question requiring 1 answer might
>> be
>> >> sufficient.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All: I also saw that we do not have the PC on the agenda, I do not know
>> >> how we have find a way to accommodate their views and inputs. Would it
>> be
>> >> giving them more platform on Q&A, inputs and comments to accommodate
>> them in
>> >> the agenda or what?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thato Mfikwe.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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