[NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean copy

Remmy Nweke remmyn at gmail.com
Sat Jul 14 23:23:38 EEST 2018 

Dear Farzaneh
I will try to take second look at your pointer as soon as possible.

It's unfortunate your last mail sounded a threat on that EC is determined
by an individual. Not too good madam chair.

Personally I do not have problems with such as long as I know I put in my
best and every individual honestly and it's on record.

There is no one who will follow things the way this FC including we all did
in the last few week's since Panama that will not feel your pains. So know
we are all in it together.

I will appeal for more understanding as I believe we are making progress
but gradually.

Do have an exciting weekend to all.

Regards
Remmy


On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 9:54 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I answered your question on the doc remmy. Multiple times.
>
> I had a language there that said when someone else other than pir is the
> donor thwy can choose the constituency they want to send the funds to.
> There is a language in the document. We can make it generic and just say
> the funder can choose where to send the money to.
>
> I don't agree with having an MOU between constituency and treasurer. It's
> too formal it's unenforceable it's ineffective.
>
> some questions are being asked multiple times and I have been repeating my
> answers and had to reiterate some points several times.
>
> so you just don't agree with Thato and I on these issues. You can put my
> language back and flag that you do not agree with it and suggest a
> compromise.
>
> The reason why we need to talk to those who wrote the charter is to
> understand the rationale of having an FC in the first place. Perhaps you'll
> be convinced that FCs obligations are really limited.
>
>
> As you know NCSG EC has to approve the operating procedures. It is very
> likely that in its current state it will be rejected.
>
> I am trying to help but I am really running out of suggestions.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:24 AM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Apologies people,
>>
>> I hope we are not being misunderstood here.
>>
>> Whereas I pointed out why we should NOT personalise our OP to a donor. I
>> remember informing such clauses are needed in MoU not OP. I also asked what
>> happens if the funders are sympathetic to NPOC against NCUC, none of you
>> provided an answer, hence I saw that as greatly unresolved.
>>
>> There was also the question of
>>  What happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding? We
>> have to be neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>>
>> We must be wary of introducing ambiguities, because we are likely to
>> return here OP for further guide/information when it's approved by EC.
>>
>> I am glad to put it on record again that you DON'T personalise operating
>> procedures to a given funder, it's like a subtle notes of interpretation of
>> a charter for safe running of an organisation which in this case is
>> tripartite in nature and should not be because a party now have upper hand
>> or is favoured.
>>
>> That is why I left it with hope that when we agree with our C's chairs
>> and equally observers here, then it could be resolved based on collective
>> bargaining and understanding.
>>
>> I prefer to resolve issues very clear to me than resetting same as
>> unresolved bearing in mind that someone or something is accommodative can
>> be misleading depending who is interpreting it and may be with more
>> information better understanding can prevail.
>>
>> And the way forward on this precise issues.
>>
>> I hope this response helps
>> Regards
>> Remmy
>>
>>
>> On 14 Jul 2018 2:54 am, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So Here are some of the points Thato agree with me and you provided your
>> counter-arguments(it's a copy paste of Thato's reply and yours .
>> Thato's comment is in black yours is in red. :
>>
>>
>> *Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your
>> comment):*
>> Section 1: Obligations of FC members
>> iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it
>> iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds
>> I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the
>> oversight as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for
>> harmonisation meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and
>> table.
>>
>> Section 2: Opening an account
>> ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require
>> consensus, edits already made are ok
>> Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative
>> consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not
>> heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking
>> decision sir.
>>
>> Section 3: Use of constituency bank account
>> Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me
>> Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating
>> Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what
>> happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic
>> to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR
>> and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible
>> so as to accommodate any funder at all.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry if you felt otherwise.
>>> I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an
>>> understanding established.
>>>
>>> I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer
>>> to the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as
>>> resolve.
>>>
>>> I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better
>>> sense.
>>>
>>> Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as
>>> this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why
>>> that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in
>>> charter.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> RN
>>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <thatomfikwe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>>>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>>>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Remmy
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we
>>>>> flagged unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which
>>>>> Thato agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>>>> about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the
>>>>> FC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>> On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <thatomfikwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly,
>>> is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please
>>> elaborate? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Thato Mfikwe.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <
>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged
>>>> unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato
>>>> agreed with me and had suggested alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all
>>>> these issues before we discuss with the members.
>>>>
>>>> Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who
>>>> drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover,  we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please see link for the first clean copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion
>>>>> except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> ____
>>>>> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE,
>>>>> Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*]
>>>>> (DigitalSENSE Business News
>>>>> <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS
>>>>> <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet
>>>>> <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>)
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>>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
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>>>>>
>>>>> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society
>>>>> (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>)
>>>>>
>>>>> *NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)*
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
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