[NCSG-EC] Ageia Densi (Argentina)

[Jean F. Quéralt]

Yes, that makes a lot of sense.

I don't have access to the CRM.
@Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org> could you give is some extra
information on the source of the inquiry/request?
Thx.

Regards,
Jean

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, 23:49 Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your answers, Jean!
>
> My doubt was actually if it was the same organization (that is already
> part of NCUC/NCSG) asking to be a part of NPOC.
>
> I'm saying this because in LACRALO there are two different ALS, Ageia
> Densi Argentina and Ageia Densi Brazil, while you can find other
> manifestations that seem to refer to Ageia Densi as an international org
> with Argentia as its headquarters. In his LinkedIn, Juan appears to be the
> president of "Ageia Densi Colombia", which is a third organization (and
> that I couldn't find before in the ALAC ALS search because it is listed as
> MINKA Colombia - https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/lacralo, which was the
> name I remember him being affiliated to a few months ago). I think we need
> to better understand if there is a difference with the person who requested
> the affiliation.
>
> Cordially,
>
> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
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> Em dom., 14 de jul. de 2024 às 12:29, Jean F. Quéralt <
> JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> escreveu:
>
>> Hi Pedro.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Is the Charter marked by upcoming
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/NPOCC/Upcoming+Charter> in the
>>> wiki already in effect? If not, the previous/current chart
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/NPOCC/Charter> seems to have a
>>> higher bar: "5.1.1.6 Own at least one domain name *and maintain or have
>>> plans to create an organization website*".
>>>
>>
>>
>> It is my understanding that the current applicable charter is the one I
>> referenced as the new positions in the last election were those described
>> in it.
>>
>> I admit I'm fuzzy about that as the transition never was fully clear to
>> me.
>> Probably Andrea and Daniel can shed light on this.
>>
>> On the other hand, "plans to create an organization website" is
>> definitely a qualitative concept that can't be measured and open to
>> interpretation at an operational level.
>> I'm more comfortable with just the ownership (of which we need to
>> establish a procedure for verification as I mentioned) so I hope that's not
>> applicable anymore because it would be pretty much an admin nightmare.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Another question: within NCSG, Ageia Densi is an international
>>> organization (encompassing Ageia Densi Brazil as well) or an Argentinian
>>> one? On our website, the Argentinian one seems to be affiliated with
>>> NCSG/NCUC, with Franco as its rep, but, digging for more info, Carlos
>>> Aguirre seems to be the official rep of the international part. Sorry if
>>> I'm not being precise, it is a bit hard to find clear and recent info about
>>> it through search tools.
>>>
>>
>> All I was able to find was their FB page and ALAC profile. There I saw
>> Juan Manuel Rojas was a Rep.
>>
>> Is your doubt about their structure and actual jurisdiction of
>> registration?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jean
>>
>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
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>>> Em dom., 14 de jul. de 2024 às 00:26, Jean F. Quéralt via NCSG-EC <
>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi Caleb,
>>>>
>>>> Does this mean that membership requires specific proof of ownership to
>>>> be verified?
>>>>
>>>> How do you propose we do that?
>>>> I haven't seen a mention to this on the existing documentation.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I don't see a problem with having a domain parked (which in
>>>> this case is because they reacquired it hours ago).
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned in my previous message, NPOC's charter requires ownership.
>>>> It says nothing about usage.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of reasons why an organization may not be actively
>>>> using their domain. Sometimes they don't even want to have a website and
>>>> just want to protect themselves against impersonation. I've met orgs like
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> If we are going down the rabbit hole of actively verifying ownership,
>>>> given the current Lookup/RDRS status, we have a few options that we then
>>>> need to document properly.
>>>>
>>>> Option 1)
>>>> We give some custom code that needs to be injected into the Public Info
>>>> so that it can be found through
>>>> https://lookup.icann.org/en/lookup
>>>>
>>>> Option 2)
>>>> We give some custom code that needs to be injected in a TXT record that
>>>> we then query
>>>>
>>>> Option 3)
>>>> We give some custom code that needs to be injected in a text file on
>>>> the root of their https server so we can query it (
>>>> https://domain/NPOC-Code.txt)
>>>>
>>>> There may be other options. These already cost more work for the EC.
>>>>
>>>> The situation now is we need to decide what's our procedure or we'll
>>>> get stuck here.
>>>>
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, 06:39 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
>>>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a little more digging. I will be declining my support for AGEIA
>>>>> DENSI.
>>>>> The domain Jean mentioned is parked and until when it is active, we
>>>>> can't seem to find out. Ideally, I would grant this but given as with the
>>>>> usual procedure, more information is requested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 2:13 PM Jean F. Quéralt via NCSG-EC <
>>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been informed that the organization has reacquired their domain (
>>>>>> http://www.ageia.org/)
>>>>>> The website is not up although that should not be a consideration for
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For all I am concerned, I give my thumbs up for when/if AGEIA DENSI
>>>>>> requests to join NPOC without having to undergo a new membership
>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Jean F. Queralt
>>>>>> Founder & CEO - The IO Foundation <http://www.TheIOFoundation.org>
>>>>>> Book a meeting <http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ> (30 minutes)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 01:20, Jean F. Quéralt <
>>>>>> JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have confirmed that there is a procedural impasse that needs to be
>>>>>>> addressed before we register AGEIA DENSI as a member to NPOC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) First of all, it is to be noted that, as @Andrea Glandon
>>>>>>> <andrea.glandon at icann.org> has mentioned, I have not found
>>>>>>> reference/info on this type of procedure. It would appear we are playing it
>>>>>>> by ear, which is fine to a degree.
>>>>>>> I'd nonetheless recommend that moving forward we take the
>>>>>>> opportunity to write this case scenario somewhere. I can work on the
>>>>>>> language and submit a proposal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) The applicant, AGEIA DENSI, is not in a position at this very
>>>>>>> moment, to comply with one of the requirements to be a member of NPOC.
>>>>>>> As per NPOC Charter:
>>>>>>> 2. Membership > c. Requirements > 3.Is a registrant of a domain name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently, the organization does not own their previous domain
>>>>>>> anymore (and it would appear that no other domain either).
>>>>>>> After reaching out to the org's rep, I am confirmed this is a
>>>>>>> situation they are actively looking to resolve.
>>>>>>> Once that's done, I'll be OK with them joining. Meanwhile, I rather
>>>>>>> apply procedure and put the topic on standby.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, @Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org> can you clarify if
>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>> a) Requested information about whether is it possible
>>>>>>> b) Formally requested to join NPOC
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jean F. Queralt
>>>>>>> Founder & CEO - The IO Foundation <http://www.TheIOFoundation.org>
>>>>>>> Book a meeting <http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ> (30 minutes)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 at 01:45, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <
>>>>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello NCSG EC,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The organization Ageia Densi is already an approved NCSG and NCUC
>>>>>>>> member. They would like to add NPOC to their membership. I have looked at
>>>>>>>> the charter and do not see anything specific regarding this situation. How
>>>>>>>> should this situation be handled? Do they have to go through the regular
>>>>>>>> application process?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Andrea Glandon*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Policy Operations Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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