[NCSG-EC] Ageia Densi (Argentina)

[Pedro de Perdigão Lana]

Thanks for your answers, Jean!

My doubt was actually if it was the same organization (that is already part
of NCUC/NCSG) asking to be a part of NPOC.

I'm saying this because in LACRALO there are two different ALS, Ageia Densi
Argentina and Ageia Densi Brazil, while you can find other manifestations
that seem to refer to Ageia Densi as an international org with Argentia as
its headquarters. In his LinkedIn, Juan appears to be the president of
"Ageia Densi Colombia", which is a third organization (and that I couldn't
find before in the ALAC ALS search because it is listed as MINKA Colombia -
https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/lacralo, which was the name I remember him
being affiliated to a few months ago). I think we need to better understand
if there is a difference with the person who requested the affiliation.

Cordially,

*Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
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Em dom., 14 de jul. de 2024 às 12:29, Jean F. Quéralt <
JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> escreveu:

> Hi Pedro.
>
>
>
>> Is the Charter marked by upcoming
>> <https://community.icann.org/display/NPOCC/Upcoming+Charter> in the wiki
>> already in effect? If not, the previous/current chart
>> <https://community.icann.org/display/NPOCC/Charter> seems to have a
>> higher bar: "5.1.1.6 Own at least one domain name *and maintain or have
>> plans to create an organization website*".
>>
>
>
> It is my understanding that the current applicable charter is the one I
> referenced as the new positions in the last election were those described
> in it.
>
> I admit I'm fuzzy about that as the transition never was fully clear to
> me.
> Probably Andrea and Daniel can shed light on this.
>
> On the other hand, "plans to create an organization website" is definitely
> a qualitative concept that can't be measured and open to interpretation at
> an operational level.
> I'm more comfortable with just the ownership (of which we need to
> establish a procedure for verification as I mentioned) so I hope that's not
> applicable anymore because it would be pretty much an admin nightmare.
>
>
>
>> Another question: within NCSG, Ageia Densi is an international
>> organization (encompassing Ageia Densi Brazil as well) or an Argentinian
>> one? On our website, the Argentinian one seems to be affiliated with
>> NCSG/NCUC, with Franco as its rep, but, digging for more info, Carlos
>> Aguirre seems to be the official rep of the international part. Sorry if
>> I'm not being precise, it is a bit hard to find clear and recent info about
>> it through search tools.
>>
>
> All I was able to find was their FB page and ALAC profile. There I saw
> Juan Manuel Rojas was a Rep.
>
> Is your doubt about their structure and actual jurisdiction of
> registration?
>
> Regards,
> Jean
>
>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
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>> Em dom., 14 de jul. de 2024 às 00:26, Jean F. Quéralt via NCSG-EC <
>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi Caleb,
>>>
>>> Does this mean that membership requires specific proof of ownership to
>>> be verified?
>>>
>>> How do you propose we do that?
>>> I haven't seen a mention to this on the existing documentation.
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't see a problem with having a domain parked (which in
>>> this case is because they reacquired it hours ago).
>>>
>>> As mentioned in my previous message, NPOC's charter requires ownership.
>>> It says nothing about usage.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of reasons why an organization may not be actively
>>> using their domain. Sometimes they don't even want to have a website and
>>> just want to protect themselves against impersonation. I've met orgs like
>>> that.
>>>
>>> If we are going down the rabbit hole of actively verifying ownership,
>>> given the current Lookup/RDRS status, we have a few options that we then
>>> need to document properly.
>>>
>>> Option 1)
>>> We give some custom code that needs to be injected into the Public Info
>>> so that it can be found through
>>> https://lookup.icann.org/en/lookup
>>>
>>> Option 2)
>>> We give some custom code that needs to be injected in a TXT record that
>>> we then query
>>>
>>> Option 3)
>>> We give some custom code that needs to be injected in a text file on the
>>> root of their https server so we can query it (
>>> https://domain/NPOC-Code.txt)
>>>
>>> There may be other options. These already cost more work for the EC.
>>>
>>> The situation now is we need to decide what's our procedure or we'll get
>>> stuck here.
>>>
>>> Jean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, 06:39 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
>>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I did a little more digging. I will be declining my support for AGEIA
>>>> DENSI.
>>>> The domain Jean mentioned is parked and until when it is active, we
>>>> can't seem to find out. Ideally, I would grant this but given as with the
>>>> usual procedure, more information is requested.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 2:13 PM Jean F. Quéralt via NCSG-EC <
>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been informed that the organization has reacquired their domain (
>>>>> http://www.ageia.org/)
>>>>> The website is not up although that should not be a consideration for
>>>>> us.
>>>>>
>>>>> For all I am concerned, I give my thumbs up for when/if AGEIA DENSI
>>>>> requests to join NPOC without having to undergo a new membership
>>>>> application.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Jean F. Queralt
>>>>> Founder & CEO - The IO Foundation <http://www.TheIOFoundation.org>
>>>>> Book a meeting <http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ> (30 minutes)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 01:20, Jean F. Quéralt <
>>>>> JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have confirmed that there is a procedural impasse that needs to be
>>>>>> addressed before we register AGEIA DENSI as a member to NPOC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) First of all, it is to be noted that, as @Andrea Glandon
>>>>>> <andrea.glandon at icann.org> has mentioned, I have not found
>>>>>> reference/info on this type of procedure. It would appear we are playing it
>>>>>> by ear, which is fine to a degree.
>>>>>> I'd nonetheless recommend that moving forward we take the opportunity
>>>>>> to write this case scenario somewhere. I can work on the language and
>>>>>> submit a proposal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) The applicant, AGEIA DENSI, is not in a position at this very
>>>>>> moment, to comply with one of the requirements to be a member of NPOC.
>>>>>> As per NPOC Charter:
>>>>>> 2. Membership > c. Requirements > 3.Is a registrant of a domain name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently, the organization does not own their previous domain
>>>>>> anymore (and it would appear that no other domain either).
>>>>>> After reaching out to the org's rep, I am confirmed this is a
>>>>>> situation they are actively looking to resolve.
>>>>>> Once that's done, I'll be OK with them joining. Meanwhile, I rather
>>>>>> apply procedure and put the topic on standby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, @Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org> can you clarify if
>>>>>> they have
>>>>>> a) Requested information about whether is it possible
>>>>>> b) Formally requested to join NPOC
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jean F. Queralt
>>>>>> Founder & CEO - The IO Foundation <http://www.TheIOFoundation.org>
>>>>>> Book a meeting <http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ> (30 minutes)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 at 01:45, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <
>>>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello NCSG EC,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The organization Ageia Densi is already an approved NCSG and NCUC
>>>>>>> member. They would like to add NPOC to their membership. I have looked at
>>>>>>> the charter and do not see anything specific regarding this situation. How
>>>>>>> should this situation be handled? Do they have to go through the regular
>>>>>>> application process?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Andrea Glandon*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Policy Operations Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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