[NCSG-EC] Ageia Densi (Argentina)

Sun Jul 14 18:19:30 EEST 2024

Hi Jean, Caleb,

Is the Charter marked by upcoming
<https://community.icann.org/display/NPOCC/Upcoming+Charter> in the wiki
already in effect? If not, the previous/current chart
<https://community.icann.org/display/NPOCC/Charter> seems to have a higher
bar: "5.1.1.6 Own at least one domain name *and maintain or have plans to
create an organization website*".

Another question: within NCSG, Ageia Densi is an international organization
(encompassing Ageia Densi Brazil as well) or an Argentinian one? On our
website, the Argentinian one seems to be affiliated with NCSG/NCUC, with
Franco as its rep, but, digging for more info, Carlos Aguirre seems to be
the official rep of the international part. Sorry if I'm not being precise,
it is a bit hard to find clear and recent info about it through search
tools.

Cordially,

*Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
Researcher
PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
Board Member @ NCUC (ICANN) <https://www.ncuc.org/>, ISOC BR
<https://isoc.org.br/>, CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/> and IODA
<https://ioda.org.br/>
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Em dom., 14 de jul. de 2024 às 00:26, Jean F. Quéralt via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> escreveu:

> Hi Caleb,
>
> Does this mean that membership requires specific proof of ownership to be
> verified?
>
> How do you propose we do that?
> I haven't seen a mention to this on the existing documentation.
>
> Personally, I don't see a problem with having a domain parked (which in
> this case is because they reacquired it hours ago).
>
> As mentioned in my previous message, NPOC's charter requires ownership. It
> says nothing about usage.
>
> There are plenty of reasons why an organization may not be actively using
> their domain. Sometimes they don't even want to have a website and just
> want to protect themselves against impersonation. I've met orgs like that.
>
> If we are going down the rabbit hole of actively verifying ownership,
> given the current Lookup/RDRS status, we have a few options that we then
> need to document properly.
>
> Option 1)
> We give some custom code that needs to be injected into the Public Info so
> that it can be found through
> https://lookup.icann.org/en/lookup
>
> Option 2)
> We give some custom code that needs to be injected in a TXT record that we
> then query
>
> Option 3)
> We give some custom code that needs to be injected in a text file on the
> root of their https server so we can query it (
> https://domain/NPOC-Code.txt)
>
> There may be other options. These already cost more work for the EC.
>
> The situation now is we need to decide what's our procedure or we'll get
> stuck here.
>
> Jean
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, 06:39 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I did a little more digging. I will be declining my support for AGEIA
>> DENSI.
>> The domain Jean mentioned is parked and until when it is active, we can't
>> seem to find out. Ideally, I would grant this but given as with the usual
>> procedure, more information is requested.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 2:13 PM Jean F. Quéralt via NCSG-EC <
>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been informed that the organization has reacquired their domain (
>>> http://www.ageia.org/)
>>> The website is not up although that should not be a consideration for us.
>>>
>>> For all I am concerned, I give my thumbs up for when/if AGEIA DENSI
>>> requests to join NPOC without having to undergo a new membership
>>> application.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Jean F. Queralt
>>> Founder & CEO - The IO Foundation <http://www.TheIOFoundation.org>
>>> Book a meeting <http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ> (30 minutes)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 01:20, Jean F. Quéralt <
>>> JFQueralt at theiofoundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I have confirmed that there is a procedural impasse that needs to be
>>>> addressed before we register AGEIA DENSI as a member to NPOC.
>>>>
>>>> 1) First of all, it is to be noted that, as @Andrea Glandon
>>>> <andrea.glandon at icann.org> has mentioned, I have not found
>>>> reference/info on this type of procedure. It would appear we are playing it
>>>> by ear, which is fine to a degree.
>>>> I'd nonetheless recommend that moving forward we take the opportunity
>>>> to write this case scenario somewhere. I can work on the language and
>>>> submit a proposal.
>>>>
>>>> 2) The applicant, AGEIA DENSI, is not in a position at this very
>>>> moment, to comply with one of the requirements to be a member of NPOC.
>>>> As per NPOC Charter:
>>>> 2. Membership > c. Requirements > 3.Is a registrant of a domain name.
>>>>
>>>> Currently, the organization does not own their previous domain anymore
>>>> (and it would appear that no other domain either).
>>>> After reaching out to the org's rep, I am confirmed this is a situation
>>>> they are actively looking to resolve.
>>>> Once that's done, I'll be OK with them joining. Meanwhile, I rather
>>>> apply procedure and put the topic on standby.
>>>>
>>>> Also, @Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org> can you clarify if
>>>> they have
>>>> a) Requested information about whether is it possible
>>>> b) Formally requested to join NPOC
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jean F. Queralt
>>>> Founder & CEO - The IO Foundation <http://www.TheIOFoundation.org>
>>>> Book a meeting <http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ> (30 minutes)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 at 01:45, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <
>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello NCSG EC,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The organization Ageia Densi is already an approved NCSG and NCUC
>>>>> member. They would like to add NPOC to their membership. I have looked at
>>>>> the charter and do not see anything specific regarding this situation. How
>>>>> should this situation be handled? Do they have to go through the regular
>>>>> application process?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Andrea Glandon*
>>>>>
>>>>> Policy Operations Sr. Coordinator
>>>>>
>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>
>>>>> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> *Caleb Ogundele*
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