[NCSG-EC] Nomination period for councillors

Sun May 31 22:26:23 EEST 2020

Hi Bruna, all

I understand your frustration. It is certainly legitimate. This situation
certainly highlights some communication difficulties we've been having,
among ourselves and towards the membership in general.

Following yours and Robin's intervention on the main thread, I do not think
it is necessary that we make further announcements, though. I find it
unfortunate that this ends up in yet another procedural debate, but I dont
think theres anything we can do about it given what was said (and not said,
to start with.) And maybe it was unavoidable, anyway, although now I can
see that a majority might have expected us to make an appointment instead
of extending the nomination period (even so slightly). I'll keep that in
mind for future decisions in circumstances where the Charter is unclear...

I also suggest that next time, when one of us volunteers to post something
on the main list, we also volunteer the precise language we intend to post,
on this list first. I'll do my best to follow that principle too.

A nice day to everyone,

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 1:45 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I apologize for meddling with this list and I am fully aware that I am on
> it as a mere observer. But it would be interesting if you guys had given me
> a heads up about this. I was closely following these discussions and -
> despite understanding that Raoul was well intended, I cannot really accept
> this level of top-down determination with regards to the NCUC Electoral
> Process. The lack of a candidate for the North American EC of our
> constituency and a possible postponement of deadlines is something that can
> only be decided by the NCUC EC.
>
> Such problematic decision-making processes such as this one do nothing but
> undermine our membership trust on our electoral process and we should be
> more careful in the near future.
>
> Best Regards,
> Bruna
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:07 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I see our announcement to slightly extend the nomination of the NCSG
>> election has caused some consternation on the main list.  I think we should
>> clarify to the members that our extending of the nomination period applies
>> only to the NCSG election as we don’t have any authority over the
>> constituency election timetables.  We should have consulted Bruna if we
>> wanted to propose also extending constituency election periods.  But we
>> just made an honest mistake of wording, done in haste, and did not mean to
>> overstep, so I expect others will understand and forgive us for our
>> mis-statement.  I do think we need to quickly schedule a 2nd “meet the
>> candidates call” so the members have an opportunity to talk with who ever
>> comes forward before our new extended deadline.  Of course this call would
>> only be for new nominations or nominees who were not able to participate in
>> the original call, so it would be fair to all the nominees in the end.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robin
>>
>> On May 31, 2020, at 4:37 AM, U Of T <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks folks, i think this is a great compromise but i must recuse myself
>> from the decision since i am a candidate.
>> Stephanie
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 31, 2020, at 06:26, Raoul Plommer via NCSG-EC <
>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> If I don't get an opposing response to this email by 12 UTC, I will
>> announce the extension until 23.59PST.
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 19:33, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Great, I think we are unanimous now so let's quickly announce the
>>> extension to the deadline :)
>>>
>>> -Raoul
>>>
>>> On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 18:29, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <
>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While I’m leery of making up processes on the fly, I believe a
>>>> reasonable compromise could be to extend the nomination period until
>>>> 05/25/20 Monday 23.59 PST as Raoul suggests.  Of course, this is provided
>>>> that, as Raphael suggests, we can stick to our timeline in terms of voting,
>>>> announcing results, etc, so hopefully Maryam can confirm that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 30, 2020, at 7:33 AM, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC <
>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I have a strong view one way or another, there are good
>>>> arguments on both sides. I'm fine with any outcome as long as it keeps us
>>>> on schedule, and that we make the process and rationale clear to the
>>>> membership.
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice day!
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 8:48 AM Raoul Plommer via NCSG-EC <
>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let's extend the nomination period until Monday 23.59 PST and try to
>>>>> get through this with a normal election. If we don't get more candidates in
>>>>> that time, we'll appoint after.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 20:28, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <
>>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Steph.  Yes, I do think we continue with our election
>>>>>> timeline as agreed and ask for candidate statements to fill those appointed
>>>>>> slots.  I don’t think we need to wait until after the election to make that
>>>>>> usual request for candidates from our membership since we know now that we
>>>>>> need to fill them.  Anyone who was too timid to nominate during the
>>>>>> nomination period can send in their candidate statement to the EC for
>>>>>> appointment.  It is a shame that they did not nominate during the
>>>>>> nomination process, but they can still get on via appointment.  Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 29, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <
>>>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Extending to Monday to accept the nominations that a participant on
>>>>>> the call said were standing by, need not extend the timeline.  We do
>>>>>> believe in elections first.  The timelines are decided by this group in
>>>>>> consultation with staff, according to ICANN requirements, but I would point
>>>>>> out that ICANN announced elections to be held a month earlier in order to
>>>>>> accommodate travel schedules.  We are almost certain we are holding a
>>>>>> virtual meeting again, so even if we did go over time, there would be no
>>>>>> impact on other stakeholders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was seeking your views, not proposing violating the charter.
>>>>>> Members were upset by the fact that Elsa did not turn down the nomination
>>>>>> in time for them to nominate others.  As I have said before, the more the
>>>>>> merrier.  If people want the positions, they ought to compete.  But there
>>>>>> we are.  Plenty of time for people to put their names forward and send in a
>>>>>> candidate statement, if we closed Monday.  But if you prefer to appoint
>>>>>> people, how do you propose we run that process, wait until the election is
>>>>>> over and then just appoint the number of councillors required, through a
>>>>>> submission of names process?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2020-05-29 1:06 p.m., Robin Gross via NCSG-EC wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Raphael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The charter provides that when there is a vacancy on the Council, the
>>>>>> NCSG EC appoints that position.  Since we do not have enough candidates to
>>>>>> fill the slots, we have vacancies.  Those vacancies should be appointed by
>>>>>> the NCSG EC as usual.  If there are candidates who wish to fill those
>>>>>> seats, they should make us aware of it and we can appoint them asap.  I’m
>>>>>> not in favor of extending the nomination period until there are sufficient
>>>>>> candidates.  The nomination process has ended and the voting is about to
>>>>>> begin according to our timeline.  We need to get those slots filled so the
>>>>>> folks can assume those positions asap and the membership can focus on
>>>>>> things other than constant elections.  Also, others in ICANN shouldn’t have
>>>>>> to wait for NCSG to fill the slots by more protracted means, which would
>>>>>> not even guarantee we have nominations at the end and we would be back to
>>>>>> where we are now.  We are part of a larger community and others depend on
>>>>>> us to operate according to anticipated timelines and documented processes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 29, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <
>>>>>> rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Robin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you suggesting we appoint someone? I'm not sure what part of the
>>>>>> charter you are referring to. I could not find language in the charter that
>>>>>> fits our current circumstances, that is a defacto vacancy for lack of
>>>>>> candidates. There is the second paragraph of 3.2, but that seems to be
>>>>>> limited to a vacancy during the term of a councilor, as we did with
>>>>>> Farzaneh if I remember correctly. I might have missed the relevant language
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, please don't misinterpret my question; I'm not
>>>>>> suggesting we should be fighting over the meaning of Charter words! Whether
>>>>>> mandated or not, I'd be fine appointing someone, but ideally I would prefer
>>>>>> us to be clear on why we are doing what we decide to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a nice day!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 12:11 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <
>>>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m strongly in favor of following what the charter dictates in this
>>>>>>> instance and therefore we should do our duty and make the appointment as
>>>>>>> directed by our foundational document.  Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Robin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On May 29, 2020, at 7:22 as AM, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <
>>>>>>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi folks,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Those who were on the call today will know that Elsa has indicated
>>>>>>> she is not running for Council again this year.  We are thus short of
>>>>>>> candidates, having only three (Julf, Juan, and myself) for 4 positions.
>>>>>>> This is far from ideal, and it was pointed out by one member on the call
>>>>>>> that there were other people who were willing to come forward.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Is it your wish that we open up nominations again for a couple of
>>>>>>> days, or just leave the EC to appoint?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Stephanie
>>>>>>> >
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