<div dir="ltr">Hi Bruna, all<br><div><br></div><div>I understand your frustration. It is certainly legitimate. This situation certainly highlights some communication difficulties we've been having, among ourselves and towards the membership in general. </div><div><br></div><div>Following yours and Robin's intervention on the main thread, I do not think it is necessary that we make further announcements, though. I find it unfortunate that this ends up in yet another procedural debate, but I dont think theres anything we can do about it given what was said (and not said, to start with.) And maybe it was unavoidable, anyway, although now I can see that a majority might have expected us to make an appointment instead of extending the nomination period (even so slightly). I'll keep that in mind for future decisions in circumstances where the Charter is unclear... </div><div><br></div><div>I also suggest that next time, when one of us volunteers to post something on the main list, we also volunteer the precise language we intend to post, on this list first. I'll do my best to follow that principle too. </div><div><br></div><div>A nice day to everyone,</div><div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 1:45 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hey all, <div><br></div><div>I apologize for meddling with this list and I am fully aware that I am on it as a mere observer. But it would be interesting if you guys had given me a heads up about this. I was closely following these discussions and - despite understanding that Raoul was well intended, I cannot really accept this level of top-down determination with regards to the NCUC Electoral Process. The lack of a candidate for the North American EC of our constituency and a possible postponement of deadlines is something that can only be decided by the NCUC EC. </div><div><br></div><div>Such problematic decision-making processes such as this one do nothing but undermine our membership trust on our electoral process and we should be more careful in the near future. <br><br>Best Regards, <br>Bruna </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:07 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hello all,<div><br></div><div>I see our announcement to slightly extend the nomination of the NCSG election has caused some consternation on the main list. I think we should clarify to the members that our extending of the nomination period applies only to the NCSG election as we don’t have any authority over the constituency election timetables. We should have consulted Bruna if we wanted to propose also extending constituency election periods. But we just made an honest mistake of wording, done in haste, and did not mean to overstep, so I expect others will understand and forgive us for our mis-statement. I do think we need to quickly schedule a 2nd “meet the candidates call” so the members have an opportunity to talk with who ever comes forward before our new extended deadline. Of course this call would only be for new nominations or nominees who were not able to participate in the original call, so it would be fair to all the nominees in the end.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 31, 2020, at 4:37 AM, U Of T <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto">Thanks folks, i think this is a great compromise but i must recuse myself from the decision since i am a candidate.<div>Stephanie<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 31, 2020, at 06:26, Raoul Plommer via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">If I don't get an opposing response to this email by 12 UTC, I will announce the extension until 23.59PST.<div><br></div><div>-Raoul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 19:33, Raoul Plommer <<a href="mailto:plommer@gmail.com" target="_blank">plommer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Great, I think we are unanimous now so let's quickly announce the extension to the deadline :)<div><br></div><div>-Raoul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 18:29, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>While I’m leery of making up processes on the fly, I believe a reasonable compromise could be to extend the nomination period until 05/25/20 Monday 23.59 PST as Raoul suggests. Of course, this is provided that, as Raphael suggests, we can stick to our timeline in terms of voting, announcing results, etc, so hopefully Maryam can confirm that.<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 30, 2020, at 7:33 AM, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">I don't think I have a strong view one way or another, there are good arguments on both sides. I'm fine with any outcome as long as it keeps us on schedule, and that we make the process and rationale clear to the membership. <div><br></div><div>Have a nice day! <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 8:48 AM Raoul Plommer via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Let's extend the nomination period until Monday 23.59 PST and try to get through this with a normal election. If we don't get more candidates in that time, we'll appoint after.<div><br></div><div>-Raoul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 20:28, Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Thanks, Steph. Yes, I do think we continue with our election timeline as agreed and ask for candidate statements to fill those appointed slots. I don’t think we need to wait until after the election to make that usual request for candidates from our membership since we know now that we need to fill them. Anyone who was too timid to nominate during the nomination period can send in their candidate statement to the EC for appointment. It is a shame that they did not nominate during the nomination process, but they can still get on via appointment. Thanks.<div><br><div>Best,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 29, 2020, at 10:17 AM, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>
<div><p>Extending to Monday to accept the nominations that a participant
on the call said were standing by, need not extend the timeline.
We do believe in elections first. The timelines are decided by
this group in consultation with staff, according to ICANN
requirements, but I would point out that ICANN announced elections
to be held a month earlier in order to accommodate travel
schedules. We are almost certain we are holding a virtual meeting
again, so even if we did go over time, there would be no impact on
other stakeholders.</p><p>I was seeking your views, not proposing violating the charter.
Members were upset by the fact that Elsa did not turn down the
nomination in time for them to nominate others. As I have said
before, the more the merrier. If people want the positions, they
ought to compete. But there we are. Plenty of time for people to
put their names forward and send in a candidate statement, if we
closed Monday. But if you prefer to appoint people, how do you
propose we run that process, wait until the election is over and
then just appoint the number of councillors required, through a
submission of names process?</p><p>Kind regards, <br>
</p><p>Stephanie<br>
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<div>On 2020-05-29 1:06 p.m., Robin Gross
via NCSG-EC wrote:<br>
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Hi Raphael,
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<div>The charter provides that when there is a vacancy on
the Council, the NCSG EC appoints that position. Since we do
not have enough candidates to fill the slots, we have vacancies.
Those vacancies should be appointed by the NCSG EC as usual.
If there are candidates who wish to fill those seats, they
should make us aware of it and we can appoint them asap. I’m
not in favor of extending the nomination period until there are
sufficient candidates. The nomination process has ended and the
voting is about to begin according to our timeline. We need to
get those slots filled so the folks can assume those positions
asap and the membership can focus on things other than constant
elections. Also, others in ICANN shouldn’t have to wait for
NCSG to fill the slots by more protracted means, which would not
even guarantee we have nominations at the end and we would be
back to where we are now. We are part of a larger community and
others depend on us to operate according to anticipated
timelines and documented processes.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Robin</div>
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<div>On May 29, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Raphael
Beauregard-Lacroix <<a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Robin
<div><br>
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<div>Are you suggesting we appoint someone? I'm
not sure what part of the charter you are referring
to. I could not find language in the charter that fits
our current circumstances, that is a defacto vacancy
for lack of candidates. There is the second paragraph
of 3.2, but that seems to be limited to a vacancy
during the term of a councilor, as we did with
Farzaneh if I remember correctly. I might have missed
the relevant language though.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>In any case, please don't misinterpret my
question; I'm not suggesting we should be fighting
over the meaning of Charter words! Whether mandated or
not, I'd be fine appointing someone, but ideally I
would prefer us to be clear on why we are doing what
we decide to do. </div>
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<div>Have a nice day! </div>
<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 29, 2020
at 12:11 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I’m strongly in
favor of following what the charter dictates in this
instance and therefore we should do our duty and make
the appointment as directed by our foundational
document. Thank you.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Robin<br>
<br>
> On May 29, 2020, at 7:22 as AM, Stephanie E
Perrin via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi folks,<br>
> <br>
> Those who were on the call today will know that
Elsa has indicated she is not running for Council
again this year. We are thus short of candidates,
having only three (Julf, Juan, and myself) for 4
positions. This is far from ideal, and it was pointed
out by one member on the call that there were other
people who were willing to come forward.<br>
> <br>
> Is it your wish that we open up nominations again
for a couple of days, or just leave the EC to appoint?<br>
> <br>
> Stephanie<br>
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