[NCSG-EC] Vaibhav

Tue Jun 2 22:44:47 EEST 2020

Okay he's definitely over the fence. I will reach out to him with the
language I mentioned above (adding to the list of issues whatever else he's
been spouting since this morning) at 5pm EST today if I do not receive
objections by then.

I am also thinking that "soft-closing" the thread might be a good idea at
this point. It is not going anywhere, anyway, and I feel like by feeding
him we'll just keep rolling...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:19 PM Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <
rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This was not my initial interpretation of his message either, but I can
> see how and why you can interpret it that way Steph.
>
> But I'm not sure that the point you are raising should be addressed in the
> context of the EC. It has ramifications into both your history as a NCSG
> chair, and the "issues" with our rigid gender rules that now put you in a
> situation where you are (almost) elected by default. The interpretation you
> put forward is legitimate in your circumstances, but it has to be inferred,
> from a rather complex situation and long-standing situation. Whats going on
> with Vaibhav though is rather straightforward and can be addressed right
> away.
>
> This is what I plan to send him later today, with your agreement:
>
> "Vaibhav,
>
> We are writing to you regarding the post you made on the NCSG mailing list
> at 11:50 EST in the "NCSG Election Clarifications" thread.
>
> After reviewing the content of your post, we find it to be in violation of
> both the NCSG Charter and the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior.
>
> Article 1.2 d) of the NCSG Charter reads as follows:
> "Behavioral expectations of all NCSG members, include without limitation:
> adhering to ICANN Bylaws/Policies; supporting the bottom-up consensus
> model; treating others with dignity, respect, and courtesy; listening
> attentively and seeking to understand others; acting with honesty,
> sincerity, and integrity."
>
> Your recent interventions on the mailing list were generally borderline
> regarding these Charter committments, and the one we referred to above
> constitutes a direct violation.
>
> We would kindly ask you to reconsider how you understand your involvement
> with NCSG and withdraw the personal attacks, accusations and threats you
> made in that post.
>
> Any further post on the NCSG mailing list which would be found in
> violation of the NCSG Charter could lead to your suspension from the
> mailing list and a further review of your membership status by the NCSG
> Executive Committee.
>
> We thank you in advance for your cooperation on this matter.
>
> Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, on behalf of the NCSG Executive Committee
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:53 PM Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> I didn’t interpret Milton’s message as being hurtful but more of what we
>> face every election - people imaging ways of using the existing ballot and
>> rules to achieve various results.  It isn’t the first time we’ve had
>> abstain / NOTA conversations and probably won’t be the last.
>>
>> Best,
>> Robin
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <
>> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>> I just responded to James' comment, in hopes that this would douse the
>> flames.  I also resent the thread of reminders about the election
>> process....I trust it made it to the list.
>>
>> I agree that whoever this Agarwal guy is, an offlist note is required.  I
>> would really appreciate it if you did it, because frankly it looks like I
>> am retaliating and might serve to escalate matters.
>>
>> I also think Milton is out of line.  I am well aware of how much he would
>> like me not to run, but to suggest to the list that they send me a message
>> about how unwelcome I am, by voting abstain....well, besides being hurtful,
>> I think it is a kind of electioneering that ought to be discouraged.
>> Encourage people to vote for your candidate of choice, sure.
>>
>> I also think that encouraging me to step down so the EC can appoint the
>> person they really want raises all kinds of questions about how fair the
>> election process is.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> SP
>> On 2020-06-02 12:57 p.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> What he said to Milton is disrespectful, and contains specific
>> accusations as well as threats. I think he needs to be reminded off-list of
>> the expected standards of behavior at ICANN and encouraged to withdraw what
>> he said and eventually apologize. If he keeps lashing on, then to me thats
>> a case of temporary suspension from the mailing list with further review on
>> our side.
>>
>> Milton is harsh, and I also think he should exercise restraint in such
>> circumstances, and it would be fair game to remind him. His point could be
>> made without certain words, irrespective of their being "true" or not. But
>> Vaibhav's surely went way over the line as far as standards of behavior are
>> concerned, much more than Milton ever did.
>>
>> I know you don't like to play the cop Steph, but I do think it's
>> required, unfortunately. If you don't feel like it, I can volunteer, or
>> someone else can go ahead too.
>>
>> But let's quickly discuss first; let me know what you all think.
>>
>> Have a nice day,
>>
>>
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